Far Northern Attire

[Iscah]

I mean this is a weird take to me. Why would you need to add tribes of people into the story just to have an outfit? They’d probably be even more outraged. “Oh the tribe acts like this or said this or was used too much or too little”. I don’t know why you think this is needed for an outfit lol.

I'm not sure what the best approach is, but I do think it is not a good approach to put in a real-world culture's clothing with no in-game context, doubly so if there is no specific need to use that exact culture's clothing where something else more unique would work just as well.

[Burmecia]

this managed to hit me somewhere it causes knee-jerk...
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if it doesn't even try to pose itself as an authentic, what's the problem?

i'm non-sami (guess the ye olde word would be Lantalainen) who grew up near enough Sápmi, and my home village is part of the reindeer herding district.

i know how fxcking precious sami are with their gákti. unlike the pretty fantasy glamour in videogame, i would never think of wearing their overhyped padded tunics. the drama isn't worth it, also why would i?
as, if it's not exactly so and so, it is not REAL. so... if it, i mean the glamour set, doesn't even try to pose itself as authentic, what's the problem?

do they own blue colour now? red? weaved decorative laces and borders, embroidered details? gloves, belts, beanies?



people from northern siberia, (ya know those people who domesticated reindeer, while sami begun that business in 1800ish) nenets for example, use traditional clothing which look similar to sami costume. could it be that the cultural spheres have existed so close to one another that they have interchanged some of that shit?

EDIT
look at those russians stealing from poor sami





EDIT2 why i keep emphasising authenticity: sami themselves are pedantic about that stuff, supposedly the whole piece of clothing is full of small visual ques about wearers age, sex, marital status, area of origin etc.
i HIGHLY doubt the glamour checks any of those boxes correctly, because it is not gakti and was never mean to be
and as examples of highly similar looking traditional clothing is shared on this thread
i also HIGHLY doubt those other cultures bother to check boxes for sami, because what would be the point of that??

more similar clothing from...
mansi
selkup
veps
karelian
naganasan people

[RobynDaBank]

I'm not sure what the best approach is, but I do think it is not a good approach to put in a real-world culture's clothing with no in-game context, doubly so if there is no specific need to use that exact culture's clothing where something else more unique would work just as well.

As an Indian, when I saw the Star Himation casting top I definitely wasn't miffed they didn't add an entire India-themed quest chain over it TBF.

[Iscah]

do they own blue colour now? red? weaved decorative laces and borders, embroidered details? gloves, belts, beanies?

They're not trying to "claim the colour blue", though. They're claiming a specific combination of features that, evidently, people see in combination and say "hey, that's a Sami costume" and not "that looks like they referenced things like Sami and Nenet costumes". (In any case, they would be quite geographically close and presumably culturally linked? And I don't think they're going to mind another traditional culture in the same way they're going to mind an international company profiting off their cultural designs.)

Again, if you're building a "far northern" costume for a fantasy setting then it makes far more sense to me that you would research multiple real-world cultures from that climate, work out the common elements and add some invented specific details to the embroidery and colour scheme, rather than taking a single distinct cultural dress and dropping it straight in.

And if you know it's going to upset people from that culture, all the more reason to avoid it – at the most pragmatic level, to save on drama, even if you don't personally care about their feelings.

[TaleraRistain]

If they do remove/alter it, they would also have to remove/alter the Far Eastern Schoolboy/girl sets and the New World set, just to be consistent.

I don't know how willing SE would be to give refunds for the store outfits, though.

Not to mention the New World look would be difficult to remove because what would happen if we ever go to meet the Whalaqee?

[Ellona_Andrivari]

Ah yes, the Far Northern Hmong of South East Asia.

[Shialan]

I draw your attention to the portion of the article that states they have an agreement with Disney Animation. THAT changes everything.

It does not change anything because it is an agreement only with Disney. No one else.

[Burmecia]

They're not trying to "claim the colour blue", though. They're claiming a specific combination of features that, evidently, people see in combination and say "hey, that's a Sami costume" and not "that looks like they referenced things like Sami and Nenet costumes". (In any case, they would be quite geographically close and presumably culturally linked? And I don't think they're going to mind another traditional culture in the same way they're going to mind an international company profiting off their cultural designs.)

Again, if you're building a "far northern" costume for a fantasy setting then it makes far more sense to me that you would research multiple real-world cultures from that climate, work out the common elements and add some invented specific details to the embroidery and colour scheme, rather than taking a single distinct cultural dress and dropping it straight in.

And if you know it's going to upset people from that culture, all the more reason to avoid it – at the most pragmatic level, to save on drama, even if you don't personally care about their feelings.

that's what i thought about the glamour set: "oh cool, looks like they have sought inspirations from siberian and sami traditional clothes".

it's not like we havent seen cultures of the planet earth inspire hydaelyn before.







and of course they aren't claiming blue, or whatever, because it benefits them to be vague. looks like they're claiming "elements of sami cultural property". elements which are already shared with other than sami cultures. remixed in (arguably) good faith for this stupid anime fantasy game.

[magtuired]

Man a lot of people just proudly showing their racism in this thread lmao.

If you're a culture that has been exploited and oppressed for years, then yeah, you're going to be angry about a company profiting of it without even a minor gesture towards even acknowledging your culture. I feel the same way about make up brands making Lunar New Year ~limited edition~ sets. I have zero issue with the average individual celebrating or having fun with it, same with my cultural clothing, but when a company wants to make money off of you while it also fails epically in providing any recognition of your culture or racial equality within itself, then it sucks. SE doesn't exactly have a good track record with either.

[Rilifane]

As an Indian, when I saw the Star Himation casting top I definitely wasn't miffed they didn't add an entire India-themed quest chain over it TBF.

They added a Dirndl and Lederhosen and now they better add an Oktoberfest to go with it or I'll angrily throw beer, bread and potatos at them.
Let's make it a seasonal event.