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    Quote Originally Posted by Nobuyuki_Sanada View Post
    They don't create outfits and mounts with your mods in mind at all. They are making those regardless.
    The exact same logic applies to raids.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saraide View Post
    The exact same logic applies to raids.
    No that is incorrect, SE has even said so. Players are circumventing difficulty by using mods, meaning if the design teams wants to make truly difficult content they would need to account for players having mods making the game easier. They obviously dont want to do this as it would force players who dont use mods to get them to complete content. This is why WoW is the way it is. They allowed mods, people got used to playing with them, and now to make challenging content they have to consider them or the content they create will be too easy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nobuyuki_Sanada View Post
    No that is incorrect, SE has even said so. Players are circumventing difficulty by using mods, meaning if the design teams wants to make truly difficult content they would need to account for players having mods making the game easier. They obviously dont want to do this as it would force players who dont use mods to get them to complete content. This is why WoW is the way it is. They allowed mods, people got used to playing with them, and now to make challenging content they have to consider them or the content they create will be too easy.
    It is correct, people modding in completely new outfits is making the creation of outfits on behalf of SE just as pointless as third party tools do for raids. You cant have it both ways or you just sound like someone trying to mental gymnastics their use of cosmetic mods being okay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saraide View Post
    It is correct, people modding in completely new outfits is making the creation of outfits on behalf of SE just as pointless as third party tools do for raids. You cant have it both ways or you just sound like someone trying to mental gymnastics their use of cosmetic mods being okay.
    I have to say that third party tools are an all or nothing too. Because if SE takes action or something it's going to look for everything. So people can't separate any of them. However, being that XIV isn't really a competitive game I don't think this sort of stuff is the game killer people are making it out to be.

    Even ults are not competitive, they are for personal enjoyment, whether people make a race out of it or parse the fight that isn't official SE stuff, so competition just isn't in the intended design of the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saraide View Post
    It is correct, people modding in completely new outfits is making the creation of outfits on behalf of SE just as pointless as third party tools do for raids. You cant have it both ways or you just sound like someone trying to mental gymnastics their use of cosmetic mods being okay.
    The mods you use to make yourself look different don't affect what other people see. If it made the outfits your wearing visible to others they would absolutely have issue with it. You sound like someone who just doesn't want to accept the fact mods are cheating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nobuyuki_Sanada View Post
    The mods you use to make yourself look different don't affect what other people see. If it made the outfits your wearing visible to others they would absolutely have issue with it. You sound like someone who just doesn't want to accept the fact mods are cheating.
    Funny you should say that...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nobuyuki_Sanada View Post
    The mods you use to make yourself look different don't affect what other people see. If it made the outfits your wearing visible to others they would absolutely have issue with it. You sound like someone who just doesn't want to accept the fact mods are cheating.
    Yea and people having mare lamentorum in their adventure plate just really like the area lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saraide View Post
    Yea and people having mare lamentorum in their adventure plate just really like the area lol.
    I like how we were talking about modding outfits and you jumped over to adventure plates. Who's doing the gymnastics now
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nobuyuki_Sanada View Post
    I like how we were talking about modding outfits and you jumped over to adventure plates. Who's doing the gymnastics now
    I love how confidentely you admit to not knowing what I'm talking about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nobuyuki_Sanada View Post
    I like how we were talking about modding outfits and you jumped over to adventure plates. Who's doing the gymnastics now
    Look at this sweet summer child. Ah, so precious.
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