What dps/utility buttons old or new would you add to your healer?

[Recon1o6]

Why does every thread get derailed by renathras and people bickering with him about a valid but irrelevant to current thread topic with increasingly large posts.
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I'm not seeing much for dps on Ast. I find that quite curious since the one dot/one nuke was an issue with ast since sb. The common sentiment being the cards were fun but the lack of dps buttons sucked, hence very few players doing solo things like fates or potd as ast.

Yet pvp ast has effectively rdm's doublecast but better. In a pve scenario, would that be stepping on rdm's toes a bit? the again i suppose that would be fair since rdm is 2 buttons from being a fully functional healer (aoe heal+esuna)

[IDontPetLalas]

Why does every thread get derailed by renathras and people bickering with him about a valid but irrelevant to current thread topic with increasingly large posts.
sigh

I'm not seeing much for dps on Ast. I find that quite curious since the one dot/one nuke was an issue with ast since sb. The common sentiment being the cards were fun but the lack of dps buttons sucked, hence very few players doing solo things like fates or potd as ast.

Yet pvp ast has effectively rdm's doublecast but better. In a pve scenario, would that be stepping on rdm's toes a bit? the again i suppose that would be fair since rdm is 2 buttons from being a fully functional healer (aoe heal+esuna)

It's been mentioned, as running fates or potd or even solo NSQ in some cases as an AST can be misery even WHM is less painful. I don't see how it would "step on RDM toes" , I think it is a fair question to ask, however I would point out that summoners can raise - but they aren't healers, and swiftcast isn't unique to healers.

[ASkellington]

It's been mentioned, as running fates or potd or even solo NSQ in some cases as an AST can be misery even WHM is less painful. I don't see how it would "step on RDM toes" , I think it is a fair question to ask, however I would point out that summoners can raise - but they aren't healers, and swiftcast isn't unique to healers.

That's not the same. Double Cast and Quick Cast are play styles very similar to one another with Double Cast giving AST added effects to the spell that has been double casted. Where as Raise/Swiftcast are just spells. They aren't a playstyle or identity if you would.

And honestly I don't like Double Cast anyway. It only affects 3 spells we have access to (in both PvP and PVE), Malefic being Double Cast is w/e. Gravity? What, SE is going to give us a Bind/Heavy on our aoe? Yeah no. And A. Benefic is stupid. Why would I 1. Want the HoT BEFORE the Shield, I'd rather have it the reverse and 2. Have it at all when I could have Noct Sect back?

[IDontPetLalas]

That's not the same. Double Cast and Quick Cast are play styles very similar to one another with Double Cast giving AST added effects to the spell that has been double casted. Where as Raise/Swiftcast are just spells. They aren't a playstyle or identity if you would.

And honestly I don't like Double Cast anyway. It only affects 3 spells we have access to (in both PvP and PVE), Malefic being Double Cast is w/e. Gravity? What, SE is going to give us a Bind/Heavy on our aoe? Yeah no. And A. Benefic is stupid. Why would I 1. Want the HoT BEFORE the Shield, I'd rather have it the reverse and 2. Have it at all when I could have Noct Sect back?

Hold on a moment, I didn't say "they are the same" regarding their effect, however while you may regard them as "just spells", you may have already forgotten that summoner came extremely close to lose raise when it was reworked and it wasn't a simple or easy to decision to keep it.

Secondly, it could happen that double cast makes it into PVE, I don't see why a variation of it couldn't- that doesn't mean that (a) it has to be a straight copy/paste of the PVP variation or that (b) IF it did, that other changes couldn't happen as well.

[ASkellington]

Hold on a moment, I didn't say "they are the same" regarding their effect, however while you may regard them as "just spells", you may have already forgotten that summoner came extremely close to lose raise when it was reworked and it wasn't a simple or easy to decision to keep it.

Secondly, it could happen that double cast makes it into PVE, I don't see why a variation of it couldn't- that doesn't mean that (a) it has to be a straight copy/paste of the PVP variation or that (b) IF it did, that other changes couldn't happen as well.

That isn't what I said. You compared Swiftcast and Raise, mere spells to Double/Quick Casts which is a trait and more of a playstyle. Swiftcast and Raise aren't playstyles. They don't change the way a class is played. The former is a Caster role ability and the latter isn't because only BLM doesn't have access to it (every other Caster, which Healers are, do).

Second, even if Double Cast affected more than the 3 spells, the effects it currently has don't inspire anything fun to me as an AST main (which was the reason why I mentioned the 3 spells anyway) and the alternative give earlier (which was to enhance the effect of the next spell cast w/e that may be - potency for example) doesn't either. I don't like Double Cast, is my point.

[Nizzi]

It's been mentioned, as running fates or potd or even solo NSQ in some cases as an AST can be misery even WHM is less painful. I don't see how it would "step on RDM toes" , I think it is a fair question to ask, however I would point out that summoners can raise - but they aren't healers, and swiftcast isn't unique to healers.

Honestly, with how much RDM steps on the toes of healers, and how much healers have had taken from them compared to DPS jobs, I really don't care if they pull stuff from other jobs identities to give it to the healers. I don't care if WHM starts to step on BLM's toes, or AST with RDM, etc. I want SE to make them unique, diverse and meaningful.