Additional Garlean Fashion Inspiration

[SannaR]

... '-' ok, last time I said this about Garlean outfits and being analogous to "Early 20th Century dictatorships" in general, be they Japanese, Russian, German or otherwise, people went completely insane about it. And I just threw that idea into the air without much thought, even prefacing it with "Yeah, this is going to make some people mad".

...and now people are okay with the idea and actually discussing those things?

Is this the Twilight Zone??

I am confusion, Forums explain.

It's certain types of posters that are not ok with discussions or even mentioning such things. As the instant you bring up how such imagery tends to evoke other imagery they throw out the "don't go labeling people nazis" line. Those also tend to be the same people who use the "don't silence, stifle or police the minority" line when you don't agree with them about something. And then it just goes bottoms up super fast. As a lot of the time people aren't calling others nazis or whatnot just pointing out what tends to come to people's minds first.

[Hurlstone]

I can't fathom the opposition to a request as basic as this one other than the usual contrarians or people who, as the first page showed, are so afraid of boogeymen they can't actually tell who they are. Nothing posted in this thread so far has made much of an argument against this glamour besides people getting their feelings hurt over a uniform, and consequent nitpicking.

Goodness help them should they ever play Lost Ark which has released multiple military sets over the past year or FFVII/FFVIII where they feature prominently.

Empathy is not something you are really keen on is it?

Anyway, I will say that most of the militaristic uniforms I have seen in this and other games do still have their own spin/take on them. I do not think anyone is saying no to any military-like gear and I know allot of people have been wanting more Garlean-like gear over the years. But what you seem to be asking for in the OP is a more 1:1 copy of the pictures you posted, and surely you can understand why some people would be a little hesitant agains it, if not agree with them?

Also, why do you not think the Tower of Babil sets are not close enough? Been having another look at them and they seem to be fit the style you are looking for. Clear Soviet/WW2 influences but set within the games lore. If the below image is not militaristic in nature then I don't know what is! Very much like the Squall one you posted, real-life influences but still flavoured in the game they come from.

[SannaR]

Maybe because the military gear shown in those other games has a different cut to them and tend to not invoke said imagery. Then there's the setting at least with VIII where you're straight up told the school is the equivalent of going to the Army and Navy Academy. The only time we tend to see said outfits are when you're in or around the two schools you visit. I'd also say even the less police/security guard looks of the Shinra rank and file tend to still have that police/security guard look. That and at least in the OG it was rare to see a very detailed look of those sets. So, no they weren't in your face. They also tend to shout post WWII era western country military style cuts.

[NekoMataMata]

It's certain types of posters that are not ok with discussions or even mentioning such things. As the instant you bring up how such imagery tends to evoke other imagery they throw out the "don't go labeling people nazis" line. Those also tend to be the same people who use the "don't silence, stifle or police the minority" line when you don't agree with them about something. And then it just goes bottoms up super fast. As a lot of the time people aren't calling others nazis or whatnot just pointing out what tends to come to people's minds first.

I'm somewhat convinced that some people on forums have agendas that consist of disagreeing with other people they dislike, because the amount of times I've seen people on here hypocrite their views they've had, doing complete 180s. I'm not really sure where the OP fits into all of this because I can't tell if they genuinely believe what they say or whatever. At least we get some discussion value out of the OP, and honestly, if they're trolling then they're trying to bother some really specific people.

[SannaR]

I'm somewhat convinced that some people on forums have agendas that consist of disagreeing with other people they dislike, because the amount of times I've seen people on here hypocrite their views they've had, doing complete 180s. I'm not really sure where the OP fits into all of this because I can't tell if they genuinely believe what they say or whatever. At least we get some discussion value out of the OP, and honestly, if they're trolling then they're trying to bother some really specific people.

He does genuinely believe what he says. Course even though right now he seems to be contradictory as more often then not he has begged for a more grittier and medieval tone to come back to the game he has also has stated his love for everything Garlean. Only to go and say "oh I only ahem like the aesthetics." if you push him on things. Yet if you go read his how EW should have gone it is very pro Garlean and how they've always been except to bend over backwards for his non pureblooded empress. People get called out for noticing the trends the OP gives out because he just has a habit of shooting himself in the foot with how he "asks" for certain things. Or how he critiques things. Its why I do my best these days not to respond to the OP's threads or if I do not not address things directly to him. As he has a tendency to assume that if you liked X last time you should like more of it. Or with this thread 100% ignore the imagery that WWII Soviet Russia military uniforms or especially WWII Germany military uniform asks tends to evoke from people.

I myself am tired of the military look and even though what little we do have looks cool I also live in a country where the military throws fits if it's shown in anything that's not in a positive light. After all if you can't show them boys in khaki in a good light then how will you ever get more ground pounders that'll shout Uoo-rah at a drop of a hat?

[Avoidy]

What I want are more battle-medic sets. Skalla is okay but my hair clips through it. The SGE freebie top is nice, but I hate playing SGE. Basically I want more outfits that have first-aid kits attached to it, or syringes visible, or medic bags slung over the shoulder, that sort of thing. I think that's really cool.

The overall conversation flow in this thread has been weird as hell lol. The idea that military glams don't belong in this game (when there are in-universe militaries) but the literal t-shirt and hoodie combo "casual" outfits do, is laughable. The people accusing OP of hyping nazis only to learn that his post is full of soviet aesthetic, is hilarious. The idea that there are neo-nazis hiding out in a game full of crossdressing furry drag queens and active safespace style GM moderation, but a single military glam will embolden them to march on Ul'dah, is hysterical. You guys do realize there's already military glamour in the game, right? And none of this stuff has happened. Imagine being kneejerk averse to more options because we fought nazis once and these outfits might... *checks notes* resemble the soviets who helped us kill nazis. LOL. From my point of view, more options = good things. Even if I don't like the base setup, maybe I can use a skirt or a shoe from it and add it to a glam that I do like, you know?

But, ah! It's Aveyond saying it. So now we want less variety. More variety bad. Military uniforms don't belong in this game! *puts on a t-shirt and a jacket, hops onto a whale, and flies away on it*

[Midareyukki]

I'm not really seeing how Garlean uniforms would be an issue. They've always had some of the sickest drip in the game. People have been begging for a lot of it for ages, most notably the powered armor their highest ranking officers and officials are typically seen wearing.

I'll tell you what I wrote before. It's not that big a deal.

However, in-game they evoke similar messages and iconography as real life dictatorships do/did. A lot of their actions have real life parallels. I personally feel that it's fine to admit to this, because that is how they're written. Does it go beyond that? Obviously, it does. I'm not saying you should never ever have this glamour. But in-universe...
- Garleans tortured, disfigured and drove people crazy with human experimentation
- Heavily segregated people of their colonies and ascension is extremely hard for them
- Employed torture devices as population control (shock collars)
- Murdered across their way into a campaign and had zero issue treating the people they conquered with hostility even after they were over
- Forcefully stamped out any form of religion, this being justified as their fear of Primals
- Taking elements of a conquered population's culture and twist them to fit their narrative and bring shame on those they conquered (Measure of Our Reach, Garlean Gunblades...)
- Also, cult of personality around a charismatic military leader

If I were roleplaying and my character happened to be a Bozjan warrior of light, that bit when Julius puts shock collars on Alisaie and Alphinaud would be triggering. Because we know from the Gunbreaker sidequests that they used those on the Blades and other Bozjans.
To me, they are meant to be seen in such a way out of the virtue of how they are written.

However, last time I said this I got called out for not taking it easy. So I'll state as much here: it's a game, do whatever you want. We do have plenty of military-style gear, but if you want Garlean specifically, it could just be because of their tech look, who knows. If you choose to roleplay with those symbols on, know that the way they're written will be a major factor. Because that's their history, that's their lore. But that's just a base, you're free to do however you want with it. Don't let some person's reading of it stop you. I just personally read their behaviour as having unfortunate implications that parallel real life. In my opinion, Garlemald shouldn't be glorified just for its aesthetic. But uh... I'm not an authority, I'm not your mom :| you do you

But, ah! It's Aveyond saying it. So now we want less variety. More variety bad. Military uniforms don't belong in this game! *puts on a t-shirt and a jacket, hops onto a whale, and flies away on it*

I'm at least speaking from myself, I already had this view on the subject before. I don't mind military outfits. I'm currently wearing the Field Commander's Jacket for a reason. And I like the military gear we've had in dungeons like Bae's Wall and such. Garlean gear just carries unfortunate implications for me, and me alone. I can't speak for others tho.
So no, Aveyond has nothing to do with it, at least not for me. And I'm okay with military gear, just not "that one" And it's fine to disagree, I never said I was perfect.

[Kaurhz]

I am not against military outfits by any stretch of the imagination.

That being said, I don't think you should be crying about people being contrarianism with you, considering your repeated attempts to bash people solely based on their playstyle (e.g., being in Limsa, and in many instances their glamour itself) - You are the last person that should be crying, and frankly you ask for it.

[Midareyukki]

That being said, I don't think you should be crying about people being contrarianism with you, considering your repeated attempts to bash people solely based on their playstyle (e.g., being in Limsa, and in many instances their glamour itself) - You are the last person that should be crying, and frankly you ask for it.

uh o,o I'm sorry what? Did OP bash people for... having glamours in a City State??

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Aveyond-Dreams

Asking for more Military Style Glams is not a bad thing at all. I in fact wouldn't mind more Such Glamours.
However Id prefer if they were more Fantasy Based as suppose to being like the Images you Provided on the OP 1st Page.
Or even the post about more civilian Garlean fashion in the realm of Ironworks/Scaevan/Cid's outfits. <----THIS would be way more interesting. Then what you provided.