More PvP Rewards

[TimotheusReed]

I am also completely against FOMO Top 100 rewards.

I am okay with them maybe locking it to Top 100 for one season and then make it available later for the other players through other means (crystal trophies for example) in the next season.

But I don't think FOMO rewards for only Top 100 players is the way to go.

Especially if you look at current Pvp leaderboards, it is often mostly the same people in the Top 100 for multiple seasons on each server. Those Top 100 people will not quit playing Pvp. They don't need extra incentives. But all the people below Top 100 are the people that will quit Pvp if they don't get any rewards.

Right now people who don't aim for Top 100 have almost no incentive to play Ranked. But I can tell you that the current Top 100 people on each server will still play 5 seasons into the future.

Also regarding Ultimates: Currently on FFXIVCollect 3,9% of players have the title for finishing DSR Ultimate, wheras 0,1 % of players have the title for Top 100 in PVP Ranked. This is a huge difference! This makes the PVP titles 39 times harder to obtain than finishing DSR. So TOP 100 rewards cannot be compared to Ultimates, because Ultimate rewards are 39 times easier to obtain than PVP rewards (if they were locked to Top 100).

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

I am also completely against FOMO Top 100 rewards.

I am okay with them maybe locking it to Top 100 for one season and then make it available later for the other players through other means (crystal trophies for example) in the next season.

But I don't think FOMO rewards for only Top 100 players is the way to go.

Especially if you look at current Pvp leaderboards, it is often mostly the same people in the Top 100 for multiple seasons on each server. Those Top 100 people will not quit playing Pvp. They don't need extra incentives. But all the people below Top 100 are the people that will quit Pvp if they don't get any rewards.

Right now people who don't aim for Top 100 have almost no incentive to play Ranked. But I can tell you that the current Top 100 people on each server will still play 5 seasons into the future.

I respect your thoughts on how you feel about Top 100 rewards remaining seasonally unique (aka what you call FOMO) and won't try to change your opinion on this, but I don't think it would be good to re-distribute seasonal rewards this soon after they came out. It would set a precedent of "well it is gonna be available in 2 months for much less effort, why should I play and compete in ranked right now?" (unless the method would once again be Ranked and Ranked only).

That said, I think your "for the past x seasons its the same people on top 100, therefore it is not worth to design rewards for Top 100" is a strawman argument.

The reason why it is the "same people" is because it is the core players trying their best to keep the mode alive, from dedication to the thing they love. It wouldn't remain the same people on the board if there was something to play for to knock the top off the board and compete for desirable rewards.

Ranked isn't just for us veterans - it needs fresh blood and as you said, the lack of incentive is why hardly anyone picks up the craft over doing the other PvP modes.

And obviously, it doesn't take "just" top 100 rewards. Ranked should be desirable for high-end pvpers in top 100 down to bronze alike, so even if you score low in a season you can accumulate currency / tokens over time to get something desirable. The "what" is debatable though.

But for sure - the game does not run on glory and sweat, it needs reason.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

Also regarding Ultimates: Currently on FFXIVCollect 3,9% of players have the title for finishing DSR Ultimate, wheras 0,1 % of players have the title for Top 100 in PVP Ranked. This is a huge difference! This makes the PVP titles 39 times harder to obtain than finishing DSR. So TOP 100 rewards cannot be compared to Ultimates, because Ultimate rewards are 39 times easier to obtain than PVP rewards (if they were locked to Top 100).

Adressing this in a separate post:

PVE anything (so Ultimate as well) is incomparable to PVP ranked leaderboards. At most, you could consider the World 1st-100th inofficial rankings something to compare, as this would once again be a form of PVP (beating other teams in time).

It isn't that they are XY times harder to obtain, it is simply limited surplus gated by skill and teamplay. Anyone can be top 100 with enough dedication and practice, arguably faster than they can clear one or multiple ultimates from scratch.