Did SE threaten to not make ultimates anymore?

[Simple_Barghest]

What I want to know is why the forums are in uproar and Yoshida is going out of his way to write official "disappointed parent" rants because someone cheated in Ultimate, when bots are cheating literally every day in full view in content the entire playerbase runs. The markets are eternally flooded with bot crafted items, gathering nodes and fish spots have bots at them 24/7, they're cheating in PvP, there are bots to automate your rotation that you can actually see and search online, there are bots to relist items and scan for market niches, there are armies of RMT bots sitting under Limsa or porting around doing MSQ.

But never mind that, small indie company, can't fix it. One team cheated in the new Ultimate, uproar time.

Please look forward to Eureka Pyros being full of rabbit-farmers.

[Kaurhz]

What I want to know is why the forums are in uproar and Yoshida is going out of his way to write official "disappointed parent" rants because someone cheated in Ultimate, when bots are cheating literally every day in full view in content the entire playerbase runs. The markets are eternally flooded with bot crafted items, gathering nodes and fish spots have bots at them 24/7, they're cheating in PvP, there are bots to automate your rotation that you can actually see and search online, there are bots to relist items and scan for market niches, there are armies of RMT bots sitting under Limsa or porting around doing MSQ.

But never mind that, small indie company, can't fix it. One team cheated in the new Ultimate, uproar time.

Honestly, from a community and developer perspective, I think it's more about what that content is supposed to represent for the player base in addition to what the expectations are. Now granted, neither should happen, but from a development PoV if you do develop content expressly for players to challenge themselves, and then when said players do go off and undermine a sense of that challenge it can leave a bad taste in one's mouth.

I don't think this precludes the intensity or issues with PvP and other areas of the game, but if they were to treat that with the same nature, we'd be having apologetic letters until kingdom come, and similarly, this would be an uphill battle regardless. Further, people are just more apathetic to botting at this point, it practically comes with the territory of the game. - It's not really processed yet in this respect.

Similarly, for the community, most of the issues stem from the far-reaching consequences of the event itself effectively being so publicized, I mean ultimate prog has a lot more eyes on it than what traditional content does, speaking from the eyes that it brings. Whilst this does apply to raiding, how SE handles it, and how much people are inclined to climb that gradient of screwing around before they actually find out, can be applicable to the broader community.

It's effectively a sense of fear - If people push hard enough, other people will have the concern that they will consider going beyond blanket statements, and actually be more enforceable or proactive, loss of content (or more appropriately the missive comment regarding it) will already sting hard enough for a lot of players, let alone if they were for whatever reason not hold restraint. - In a sense, if they were to go at it harder, you'd be more likely to see people miss out on using tools and such for genuine accessibility reasons and concerns, or for people who just glamour mod.

It's an isolated case, but it applies much more to the broader community, and stuff like this just serves to push SE harder in one direction until it's a point of no return.

[Jybril]

Oh please it's not that dramatic.

It actually is, because this isn't the first time he has had to say something about the addons.
He has said like 2 other times about this to my knowledge.
He is pretty much saying: "They are forbidden, but we aren't going to our way to catch people using addons..."
Don't ask - Don't tell. But these jokes of bad players did a whole show and tell and here we are, AGAIN.
Yoshi gonna get pissed off eventually because people will not listen to him and slapping him in the face.

Ya'll keep on up with this sheet and we're going to get spyware on our PC's.

[FireMage]

It actually is, because this isn't the first time he has had to say something about the addons.
He has said like 2 other times about this to my knowledge.
He is pretty much saying: "They are forbidden, but we aren't going to our way to catch people using addons..."
Don't ask - Don't tell. But these jokes of bad players did a whole show and tell and here we are, AGAIN.
Yoshi gonna get pissed off eventually because people will not listen to him and slapping him in the face.

Ya'll keep on up with this sheet and we're going to get spyware on our PC's.

Hey if Yoshida wants to kill the game instead of evolving that's on him

[Jybril]

Hey if Yoshida wants to kill the game instead of evolving that's on him

On one hand - I still say he needs to up his game and add more QoL stuff. This is needed bad.
On the other - I still think is flipped up people just can't respect his simple plea.

Like he is begging people to not use it but since they don't know who uses it, keep it to yourself.
We're just pushing the buttons and limits here.

[FireMage]

On one hand - I still say he needs to up his game and add more QoL stuff. This is needed bad.
On the other - I still think is flipped up people just can't respect his simple plea.

Like he is begging people to not use it but since they don't know who uses it, keep it to yourself.
We're just pushing the buttons and limits here.

His simple plea is not worth respecting

[Tatiana]

I didn't view it as a threat, he prefaced what he said by being his personal view that he questions why they make ultimate content if people use 3rd party programs/addons to clear the most challenging content when the content is designed and tested to ensure it can be done without them.

That said, I don't blame him for feeling that way. I think ultimate content is really good for the health of the game and it should take a while to clear. WoW's hardest content takes weeks to get world first clears sometimes, and I think that injects interest and engagement from the community when they have official world-first clears for hard content, and I'm happy to hear that they're planning this for FFXIV in the future. The difference between the two being that WOW players almost all use addons which is sanctioned by Blizzard, needing addons is seen as lazy design by many and that's not something SE is willing to tolerate for their game, if that's the rules then that's the rules and players should abide by them..

[ForteNightshade]

What I want to know is why the forums are in uproar and Yoshida is going out of his way to write official "disappointed parent" rants because someone cheated in Ultimate, when bots are cheating literally every day in full view in content the entire playerbase runs. The markets are eternally flooded with bot crafted items, gathering nodes and fish spots have bots at them 24/7, they're cheating in PvP, there are bots to automate your rotation that you can actually see and search online, there are bots to relist items and scan for market niches, there are armies of RMT bots sitting under Limsa or porting around doing MSQ.

But never mind that, small indie company, can't fix it. One team cheated in the new Ultimate, uproar time.

You have to almost admire the hypocrisy. Those same players crying and moaning about third party tools don't give a hoot about RMT because they indirectly benefit from it. If something was actually done about the market boards being flooded then prices would skyrocket. So they'll just keep quiet about that and point to the meanie raiders using plugins in content most of them will never touch.

[Kaurhz]

You have to almost admire the hypocrisy. Those same players crying and moaning about third party tools don't give a hoot about RMT because they indirectly benefit from it. If something was actually done about the market boards being flooded then prices would skyrocket. So they'll just keep quiet about that and point to the meanie raiders using plugins in content most of them will never touch.

There is no hypocrisy present, people being peeved about this issue or not, does not consequentially mean that they don't despise other areas - this is very weak logic, with an overgeneralization. People have been vocal about everything that is fresh and ripe. They were just as vocal and meme-y about the venue that advertised on a billboard, they were just as vocal about brothels, and they'll be as about as vocal as everything else.

It's hardly about ' you meanie raiders' - But you're more than welcome to have that prerogative, as ridiculous it may be.

[Kyrj]

Good for him. Using add-ons in a game where it's scripted is really not needed and ruins the experience for everyone.

I'm waiting for bot checkers next. GO ON YOSHI!

I'm all for getting rid of addons but SE needs to step up their game when it comes to benchmarking your Job. If I can't gauge how well I'm playing my MCH through ACT then how will I know I'm doing the best I possibly can? Stone, Sky, Sea? Please.