Did SE threaten to not make ultimates anymore?

[Xaruko_Nexume]

Removing content that like 3% of people clear and using those resources for content that everyone does would do the opposite of kill the game.

I think this is a fact and the take away that a lot are missing from the conversation or simply can't fathom what an abysmally low number of players participate in this content vs the amount of time it takes to develop. Every day this game is less a "game" and more a social experience just look at this game on twitch most of the front page is usually a club or dance or some social event. And so what if thats what the player base wants? I would love to see SE do a poll to see what players would prefer, new social features like expanded housing, portraits, glam systems etc. or Ultimates. I dont blame them if they shifted resources away from harder content, and a lot would likely even prefer it.

They should just get rid of ultimate's and put the funding to normal duties and fix the head gear, hair styles to Viera and Hrothgar.

^^ This sentiment exactly.

[VelKallor]

You...realize you're comparing a year old MSQ instance to current tier Ultimate right?

Sweet story though, I guess.

Yo I’m happy for you and all that but I think that’s a little bit different scenario than remembering positioning for Run: mi(sigma version) 12 minutes into the fight.

You are both missing my point. The victory for me was that much sweeter because there were no addons, no callouts, nothing but the vanilla UI, my own skill and knowledge...in as much the same way as a raid team will relish their victory in Ultimate for that very same reason.

[Anura]

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Share numbers or refrain from giving your opinion. Also: this game will never turn into Second Life anime version, give up hope. Savage has a very large percentage of participation, so they have no reason to give up actual content to catter to people treating the game as a glorified chat.

[Jaquan]

You...realize you're comparing a year old MSQ instance to current tier Ultimate right?

Sweet story though, I guess.

I don't think it matters. Solo instance, ultimate? All of that follows the same pattern of learning, memorizing and executing. All of those 3 equal in importance. And early phases and especially World First race is the part where the first two are at least in theory done without shortcuts. I won't pretend that I know which exactly call-out plugin was used. Did they have to input data manually or did if read the data from within the game directly and anounced it? I don't know. But the program takes away from the second and occasionally the first aspect of progression. It (same as doping in traditional sports) really makes me wonder... What's the point? Is victory in unofficial race that important you have to take shortcuts even if you risk getting found out? What's the point for devs to design content like ultimate and tuning it to be clearable albeit difficult if players are going to take "shortcuts" like that? What's the point of players officially asking for difficult "endgame" content if they'll "cheat" to clear it when it's released? Why bother?

[Xtasis818]

I think the DEV spend too much time creating the ultimate raid instead of the rewards from it. I don't feel that is worth the time and effort invested on such a difficuty level just to get it for glamor and the title it should be even more rewarding . At present I would prefer to watch players on twitch doing it than personally attempt it.

[Raven2014]

You are both missing my point. The victory for me was that much sweeter because there were no addons, no callouts, nothing but the vanilla UI, my own skill and knowledge...in as much the same way as a raid team will relish their victory in Ultimate for that very same reason.

And you're missing a very important point yourself. These guys are aiming for something else beyond that. Sure, I have no doubt they could clear the fight legit "eventually". But unlike you who just tried to clear thing in a vacuum of your own pace, these guys was in a race with others for the world first clear. It's no different then why some athlete cheat, even the very top one (think Lance Armstrong), or people try to cheat on a difficult exam.

The "reason" you're using to preach is pretty much irrelevant and meaningless to these teams because that's not the "why" they were trying to clear the fight for. They did it for the recognition and the pat on their ego as a world first raiders. This is like pretending to be a monk preaching personal enlightenment to an oil baron.

[ICountFrom0]

If ultimates are too hard for even the best of the playerbase, and they have to cheat to pass them, then why bother making them, right?
Obviously nobody is good enough to actually clear it, so why bother spending the time to make it.
They can do more content, like going back to 2 dungeons per patch instead.

[Liam_Harper]

What I want to know is why the forums are in uproar and Yoshida is going out of his way to write official "disappointed parent" rants because someone cheated in Ultimate, when bots are cheating literally every day in full view in content the entire playerbase runs. The markets are eternally flooded with bot crafted items, gathering nodes and fish spots have bots at them 24/7, they're cheating in PvP, there are bots to automate your rotation that you can actually see and search online, there are bots to relist items and scan for market niches, there are armies of RMT bots sitting under Limsa or porting around doing MSQ.

But never mind that, small indie company, can't fix it. One team cheated in the new Ultimate, uproar time.

[Kazhar]

If ultimates are too hard for even the best of the playerbase, and they have to cheat to pass them, then why bother making them, right?
Obviously nobody is good enough to actually clear it, so why bother spending the time to make it.
They can do more content, like going back to 2 dungeons per patch instead.

They don't cheat because it's too hard, they cheat because it gives them an edge in the World Race.
But I smell bad faith from this post so maybe I'm just getting trolled.

[FireMage]

When I started FF 14 I picked Summoner , rolled with it as Shadowbringers SMN changes came into effect. My first run in this new expac, more or less my first year...I did okay and then I hit a brick wall.

Level 77 Feast of Lies

I had never hit a fight like this before, was on a huge learning curve and really was not understanding fully of the mechanics for this fight...I didnt know that he had his OWN enrage, I remember talking to friends, asking what the hell I had done wrong. None of them twigged that I was referring to that separate enrage until a mentor said casually "yeah he has his own enrage, when xcxx happens BURN HIM DOWN FAST".

That one solo scenario took me eleven tries. I was frustrated, angry, pissed because I knew if I didnt finish this fight, I was blocked, no progression, no Eulmore.

5 am that morning, 70% humidity in a Sydney summer, I couldnt sleep...also disappointed in myself as three friends had been waiting for me to emerge, I admitted I had failed AGAIN..they said dont worry you will get it. It was going to be 33 degrees C that day..yeah ugh...

I rode through Kholusia determined to finish this, each stage seemed easier somehow as my hands knew the drill....got to that last NPC, my hands were shaking, my feet trembling as I blasted him again and again and again, my hands hurt but I didnt care..I got the adds down in a hurry.....something inside me clicked, all of a sudden I understood my rotation, KNEW what I had to do..he started his spell and I let him have both barrels ( I later joked that had there been a kitchen sink I would have used THAT as well )...Bahamut came up, ENKINDLE HELL YEAH, my hand stabbed down, Bahamut reared , bathed that sanctimonious jerk in a massive blast of azure fire....he went down.

He. went. down.

It took a moment to sink in.....sat there for ten seconds, my hands shaking.The rest of the cutscene ran on , in a few minutes I stood in Eulmore, no one to welcome me, it didnt matter. Attuning to that crystal was above all the sweetest victory. . I was elated, satisfied, most of all a massive feeling of triumph.

Id earned it

Alone.

To this day I remember that fight struggling to learn, to see what my mistake was and how to fix it, how to beat this encounter. I did it unaided...I guess all of us have had those moments in one game or another when we think "what the hell do I do here, how do I beat this", every single gamer has had at least one of those times.

To me at least, having any addons or callouts would have taken away from that moment, it was me or him, one on one....to be honest..I would never have had it any other way.

Imagine being so bad at XIV you couldn't do a solo instance. This confirms you've been carried in any content you've done with others