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    Player Seraphor's Avatar
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    Seraphor Vhinasch
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    Zodiark
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Gemina View Post
    It's 100% more convenient to not have to do it in the first place. That's the point. And if a good person can make themselves a shadow to avoid a troublesome individual(s), the same benefit is granted to a toxic person who wants to evade the trouble they've caused. Zoom out and put more thought into what you're proposing or supporting.
    I don't think you seem to understand what is being suggested.

    1. If someone is being harassed, they cannot control it. Another, separate individual is committing the harassment. "Just don't get harassed" isn't a viable solution, and victim blaming is not a flattering look.
    2. An individual cannot evade moderation by hiding their profile, or changing their privacy setting. While you or I may not be able to track them, SE definitely can. That is the whole point. SE should be dealing with these things, not lay players. We're trying to avoid vigilante justice here.
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    Rilifane's Avatar
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    Esther Harper
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    Zodiark
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphor View Post
    I don't think you seem to understand what is being suggested.

    1. If someone is being harassed, they cannot control it. Another, separate individual is committing the harassment. "Just don't get harassed" isn't a viable solution, and victim blaming is not a flattering look.
    2. An individual cannot evade moderation by hiding their profile, or changing their privacy setting. While you or I may not be able to track them, SE definitely can. That is the whole point. SE should be dealing with these things, not lay players. We're trying to avoid vigilante justice here.
    Exactly.
    I'm 100% on board with people being able to protect themselves from harassment. If someone is harassing someone else, SE can track them without problems the moment they got reported, no amount of name changes, server changes etc. will change that, the account that was used to harass someone can and will get tracked.
    You can't protect yourself against harassment by "just don't get harrassed lol" or "just don't surround yourself with crazy people" - that's not how it works. You don't just get harassed because you're doing uwu emoting while half naked in Limsa and flirting with sweaty people that want to bone a cat girl. You can get harassed for all kinds of reasons and it's often enough something you played absolutely no part in because if someone wants to be an asshole, they don't need you to give them a reason or permission first. They'll do it.

    And it's quite frankly ridiculous that the blacklist feature is as bad as it is, that someone can teleport to you after a divorce, that it took them 4 expansions to look at the fact that deleting people from your friendlist won't remove you from theirs and that a payed name change doesn't do anything because you can still easily be tracked.
    Players should be able to protect themselves from people they don't want to interact with but that keep trying to interact with them.
    Reporting will enable SE to track the perpetrator without problems, regardless of name and server changes. They can't hide unless they're using a throwaway account but in that case, opt-out option will change even less in favour of the perpetrators.
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    Denji's Avatar
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    Daddy Milkers
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    Behemoth
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    Marauder Lv 86
    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphor View Post
    I don't think you seem to understand what is being suggested.

    1. If someone is being harassed, they cannot control it. Another, separate individual is committing the harassment. "Just don't get harassed" isn't a viable solution, and victim blaming is not a flattering look.
    2. An individual cannot evade moderation by hiding their profile, or changing their privacy setting. While you or I may not be able to track them, SE definitely can. That is the whole point. SE should be dealing with these things, not lay players. We're trying to avoid vigilante justice here.
    It's basically impossible to get the blacklist function to even work and when it does work it only blacklists that specific alt yet when you report anything the first thing you see is "Have you considered blacklisting this person?"
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