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[Seraphor]

The geomancer we have in the game uses conjurer assets and the NPC even uses a CNJ wand. The lore book also says outright that geomancy is a combination of conjury and astromancy and there's a whole plot point that using Astrologian healing spells intertwines with geomancy. If they're not supposed to be a healer, or even if they are and they're introduced as a playable job, I'd imagine there would need to be some retconning in the AST questline considering the whole SB part was set up to show how it's the eastern version of AST.

Onmyojutsu is in the lore book as being the eastern version of thaumaturgy, where their magic is all about balancing umbral and astral magic exactly like a THM or BLM.


Considering we're probably not going to get any healers, probably not going to get anything from a previous FF, not going to get anything too similar as something else per the interview quotes I posted, and probably not getting a new pet job considering how those have been greatly diminished, we're not likely to get either of these.

Again, why does everyone forget Swallows Compass? The Four Lords questline is much more impactful than the AST questlines in which Geo gets a small cameo role.
The Geomancer we have in the game uses a Bell for a weapon, and uses a whole host of offensive Water and Wind elemental spells. So many more assets were used here than the throw-away NPC in the AST questline that reuses stock assets like a CNJ wand and aero spell effects.

Chiseled into the great wall which cuts across the plains of Yanxia, between two of the Dairyu Moon Gates, is the visage of Ganen, the legendary hero who united Doma. The first king of the new kingdom was not only a military genius, but also the founder of geomancy, and so after his death this royal mausoleum became a holy place to which his disciples would make pilgrimage. Alas, following the imperial invasion, it was abandoned and fell into disrepair, and none can say for certain what dangers lie within. Regardless, if Soroban's rigorous training under Qitian Dasheng is to continue, you and your comrades must venture into these hallowed halls and obtain the tamate-bako of geomancy, an ancient relic with the power to manipulate time itself...

[Vahlnir]

Again, why does everyone forget Swallows Compass? The Four Lords questline is much more impactful than the AST questlines in which Geo gets a small cameo role.
The Geomancer we have in the game uses a Bell for a weapon, and uses a whole host of offensive Water and Wind elemental spells. So many more assets were used here than the throw-away NPC in the AST questline that reuses stock assets like a CNJ wand and aero spell effects.

Because, as a job, Geomancer has already been established. If they wanted to make it its own thing somehiow, I would not be opposed, but it's already here and established both from a lore and a gameplay perspective.

[Seraphor]

Because, as a job, Geomancer has already been established. If they wanted to make it its own thing somehiow, I would not be opposed, but it's already here.

That's Hingan geomancy that's featured in the AST questlines.
Ganen's is Yanxian geomancy.

[Vahlnir]

That's Hingan geomancy that's featured in the AST questlines.
Ganen's is Yanxian geomancy.

That does not change the fact that it is already established.

[Seraphor]

That does not change the fact that it is already established.

Right? So go with the Yanxian geomancy instead of the Hingan geomancy...

[Vahlnir]

Right? So go with the Yanxian geomancy instead of the Hingan geomancy...

If they wanted to do that, it's fine by me. But we still have Geomancer. lol That is my point.

[Midareyukki]

That's Hingan geomancy that's featured in the AST questlines.
Ganen's is Yanxian geomancy.

...right, so I googled this hoping to see some more information on Geomancer (there isn't much) or this information posted on discussions...

And there is none.

Now, I can give the benefit of the doubt. Geomancer is a topic the community thinks about so little and it's possible both forms have been conflated... However. The benefit of the doubt ends when every single entry where anyone acknowledges the existence of both being separate concepts was written by someone named Seraphor.

So I'm sorry but I really have to ask, where did you get this information from? Because according to Google, only you speak of this information. You are the only source we got.

Because if this is true, then it clearly eluded people altogether. Or perhaps the devs didn't do as good a job as explaining that there is such a large difference between both cases. And I really do want to know more about this lore, I'd just be loathe to see it all as a misunderstanding only you had from it :x

Either way? The one we see in Hingashi via the AST quests is just Conjury by another name.
And the one in Doma, AKA, Yanxia, also makes use of Earth, Wind and Water, with Swallow's Compass as the most direct example. Rather than focusing on healing, those conjurers simply take a more offensive approach to our basic Conjury spells.
Keep in mind, Conjury as we know it in Eorzea is also very limited, as it's controlled directly by the Elementals and learned mostly only by the Padjal. It is possible that, just like how we can access Holy and stuff like that, there are spells that are as strong as the ones in Swallow's Compass, but have since been forbidden by Eorzean doctrine. An example of this is how they can clearly manipulate Water as an element in more diverse ways than us, who were taught that Water is kind of blah as an element, and thus goes underused. Meaning that those Geomantic monks aren't necessarily any different, they just apply that magic more offensively than a WHM does.

...Also, doesn't Gosetsu abandon the Samurai way to become a monk and then returns in Endwalker using conjury spells? Sure, he might have learned the Hingan way, but there's no reason why he wouldn't take the path closest to home. Not when their Yanxian temples are right there next to the Doman Enclave...

The only thing I did find for the potential future of Geomancy as a whole is the fact that apparently Yoshida wanted a traditional asian caster as a Job at some point before Stormblood, and that SAM and RDM were just community-demanded additions.

[MikkoAkure]

Again, why does everyone forget Swallows Compass? The Four Lords questline is much more impactful than the AST questlines in which Geo gets a small cameo role.
The Geomancer we have in the game uses a Bell for a weapon, and uses a whole host of offensive Water and Wind elemental spells. So many more assets were used here than the throw-away NPC in the AST questline that reuses stock assets like a CNJ wand and aero spell effects.

The SB AST quests are all about geomancy, it's not a small role.

The thing you linked is also a one-off dungeon monster so I'm not sure what that's supposed to prove. It does earth, wind, and water magic, but those are still CNJ things (RIP fluid aura) and they have those spells up to a certain point so I'm not sure what you're going to do to make the geomancer stone different from conjurer/white mage stone or how you're going to make them not feel like the same thing flavor-wise.

If they wanted geomancy to be more of its own thing, then you'd think that the AST quest NPC would have unique spells and animations but they doubled-down on it with the entry in the lore book afterwards saying that it's basically conjury.

Right? So go with the Yanxian geomancy instead of the Hingan geomancy...

There's no difference between what Kyokuho is doing and what Ganen did. If you did the AST quests you'd know that "Hingan" geomancy is the fake version that the bad guys in the quest are using that is just feng shui and that Kyokuho is using the original handed down from Ganen. He also learns of the 4th element alongside earth, wind, and water which is stars - astromancy. There's no room for a new class in all of this without completely redoing the SB AST quests.


Regardless, Yoshi-P already said that he doesn't think he's going to be doing any more past FF jobs in FFXIV so I wouldn't expect geomancer anyway.