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  1. #11
    Player
    Tint's Avatar
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    Karuru Karu
    World
    Shiva
    Main Class
    Fisher Lv 100
    Kaiten will not come back.

    It's too difficult to balance the job when the off-GCD damage ressource interacts with the GCD damage in such a way.

    You have to make sure that Shinten spam is always stronger than Kaiten spam while at the same time Shinten spam is always weaker than using Kaiten in specific situations.

    What that means is that when they have to increase SAMs dps they can't simply increase the potency of the combo finishers and be done with it because it could happen that Kaiten on the combo finisher would become stronger than using Shinten. So they have to increase the potency of Shinten. But they have to make sure that Shinten does not become Stronger than Kaiten on your 3-Sticker-Attack.
    Plus they have backed themself into a corner when it comes to adding new skills.

    So what could they do? Kaiten interacts only with that one other skill? Sounds like the button bloat they said they wanted to remove when they took Kaiten away.

    The mistake was to remove Kaiten mid-expansion with nothing new to add to the gameplay for another 2 years, not that they removed Kaiten in general.
    (8)
    It’s a good thing not to answer your enemies. I scarcely ever do. Perhaps Emily is more like me than I am like myself. Perhaps she would rather not answer her friends, even. She keeps it all in her heart.

  2. #12
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    Saraide's Avatar
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    Saraide Derosa
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    Odin
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    I may be showing how little I understand about samurai but I think the better solution would have been to just remove shinten instead.
    (1)

  3. #13
    Player Ransu's Avatar
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    Leaving my SAM in Kugane
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    Raansu Omiyari
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    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Samurai Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Deveryn View Post
    There are plenty of these posts in the DPS forum.

    P.S. Good riddance to Kaiten
    Someone's bad at the game.
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  4. #14
    Player Deveryn's Avatar
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    Deveryn Ev'liarsh
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    Excalibur
    Main Class
    Summoner Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Ransu View Post
    Someone's bad at the game.
    Come find out.

    I can always get better, but Kaiten will never come back at this rate.
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    Last edited by Deveryn; 01-31-2023 at 12:02 AM.

  5. #15
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    Coatl's Avatar
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    Coatl Days
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    Leviathan
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    Gladiator Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Tint View Post
    Kaiten will not come back.

    It's too difficult to balance the job when the off-GCD damage ressource interacts with the GCD damage in such a way.

    You have to make sure that Shinten spam is always stronger than Kaiten spam while at the same time Shinten spam is always weaker than using Kaiten in specific situations.

    What that means is that when they have to increase SAMs dps they can't simply increase the potency of the combo finishers and be done with it because it could happen that Kaiten on the combo finisher would become stronger than using Shinten. So they have to increase the potency of Shinten. But they have to make sure that Shinten does not become Stronger than Kaiten on your 3-Sticker-Attack.
    Plus they have backed themself into a corner when it comes to adding new skills.

    So what could they do? Kaiten interacts only with that one other skill? Sounds like the button bloat they said they wanted to remove when they took Kaiten away.

    The mistake was to remove Kaiten mid-expansion with nothing new to add to the gameplay for another 2 years, not that they removed Kaiten in general.
    FF14 Community explaining why your DPS job can't have more than 1 button.
    (21)

  6. #16
    Player Midareyukki's Avatar
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    Character
    Harun Asubra
    World
    Zodiark
    Main Class
    Warrior Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Eorzean_username View Post
    Sigh, this is why you don't skip cutscenes people.

    He is the deceased father of the current King of Doma.

    And that King is currently very popular because he's pretty, and one of his shoulders looks like a delicious hot-cross bun, so of course people always want to see more of the man who fathered him. Probably in Echo flashbacks, I'm guessing.
    Nah, that's Cyan.
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  7. #17
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    Luluna's Avatar
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    Luluna Eve
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    Louisoix
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    Thaumaturge Lv 100
    I am here just to say I keep reading this as Bring back Karen lol...
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  8. #18
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    Mr_Gyactus's Avatar
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    Rugiada Brightdawn
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    Ragnarok
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by BetterLoser View Post
    Please bring back Third Eye->Open Eyes->Merciful Eyes. Thats it, thats the post.
    Fixed.
    It was a good ability, it saved me from a lot of lazy healers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coatl View Post
    FF14 Community explaining why your DPS job can't have more than 1 button.
    Nani?!?
    Ikishoten -> Ogi Namikiri x 2, Hissatsu senei
    Meikyo Shisui -> Midare Setsugekka -> kaeshi Setsugekka) x 2
    Shoa

    not your average 1,1,1,1,1
    (3)
    Last edited by Mr_Gyactus; 01-31-2023 at 03:11 AM.

  9. #19
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    Derio's Avatar
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    Derio Uzumaki
    World
    Sargatanas
    Main Class
    Dark Knight Lv 100
    It will come back in 7.0 as a trait. SAM got the dark arts treatment except they didnt get to keep the actual effect.
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  10. #20
    Player SassyAssassin's Avatar
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    Cinnabun Arulaq
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    Louisoix
    Main Class
    Sage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Eorzean_username View Post
    Sigh, this is why you don't skip cutscenes people.

    He is the deceased father of the current King of Doma.

    And that King is currently very popular because he's pretty, and one of his shoulders looks like a delicious hot-cross bun, so of course people always want to see more of the man who fathered him. Probably in Echo flashbacks, I'm guessing.
    Well well well…in that case, tell Kaiten I said “/hairflip Hi”
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