It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[SnowVix]

So you want to selectively edit what glamours appear on your screen because there are some that are distasteful to you. So you're in favor of this feature. Great!

not at all what i said, but thanks for playing. i'd quit the game if an official Nazi glam was in the game because it would be a pretty blatant signal that i would not be welcome as a queer person.

[Zabuza]

not at all what i said, but thanks for playing. i'd quit the game if an official Nazi glam was in the game because it would be a pretty blatant signal that i would not be welcome as a queer person.

It is what you said. How do you know if someone was wearing it, they are wearing it to express hate? Maybe they just like the look. You can't derive motive from an outfit. The expression offends you, so you don't want to see it. However, if an outfit is extremely displeasing to my eyes, I'm told to grin and bear it because 'expression.'

[ZephyrMenodora]

Yet you've been one of the biggest opponents of this feature being implemented. A feature that only affects what is on a person's own PC in private. Does not compute.

Except it wouldn't have to be private anymore. They could freely post photos on the official forums of my character forced into different outfits than what I would ever have them wear, talk to me in game how they forced my character to look, and it would be supported. That's the difference between mods and in-game options that the dev's approved of.

One is easy to ignore since it will never affect me. The other isn't and contrary to what an MMO even is when it comes to official in-game options.

And speaking of anomalous player psychology: are we just going to overlook those who feel like they must be seen by everyone otherwise they can't enjoy the game?

MMOs have always been about seeing other players online as they decided to create and dress their characters. Stop trying to pretend it's normal in MMOs to control how characters not played by YOU should be forced to appear. The moment players lose control over their own characters is the day you see a lot of players quit that MMO. It's why no MMO does this and never will. And don't bring up GW2 again, it's by no means a glamor setting. Putting characters into "lowest quality character models" is about performance for computers that aren't supposed by FFXIV at all and never will be. I'm really tired of repeating myself when someone tries to lie and pretend GW2 has this option already.

Given I still believe an option like this will never exist, I have no idea why I keep coming back to this thread.

Well, I'll start by saying even in this thread alone I have seen a large number of people opposed to this idea says things along the lines of "this is an MMO, if you can't deal with the social aspect of glamours, play a single player game" which is the same as "conform of leave", just worded differently. I believe you have also used "this is an MMO" as a reason why this feature shouldn't exist.

Yes it is, and it's how it should be. You either want to choose to play the product offered (an MMO) with all the things that comes with as far as how that genre works, or you can leave. *shrug* Not seeing the issue here nor do I view this as a bad thing. I see in the last few pages some whackos even stooped to the level of asking for all other players to be removed entirely. In an MMO. Clearly some people have very poor understanding of the genre they are in. I don't think a SOCIAL genre should cater to the very off-genre demands of people with antisocial tendencies and personality disorders.

[keichirou]

There was no point to prove.

if that helps you sleep at night , then go for it...and thanks again for keep playing.

[Kolaina]

Sooooo just going to ignore the issues between you and them...

But they have a slight point. It's not necessarily about differing views and opinions, as much as it sometimes genuinely feels like we all play a much different game.

What's the point in playing a game with other people when you reach the point where those people may not exist at all or those people have no agency over themselves on your screen?

A disable all glams option is perfectly fine because it's a generic blanket toggle. Mods on the other hand... well it's not quite as blanket or uniform in comparison. A self toggle for all glams around you is fair and unbiased. Mods are not so fair and unbiased. They're not inclusive and I think that's against the whole mindset of playing a MMO.

So you and I are in agreement.

[Bobby66]

Except it wouldn't have to be private anymore. They could freely post photos on the official forums of my character forced into different outfits than what I would ever have them wear, talk to me in game how they forced my character to look, and it would be supported. That's the difference between mods and in-game options that the dev's approved of.

One is easy to ignore since it will never affect me. The other isn't and contrary to what an MMO even is when it comes to official in-game options.

I really do not see someone walking up to another person be like "yo guess what . . . I can see your character unglamed, and you LOOK BUSTED!" With that being said question in a hypothetical world what if the toggle served as a model swap so in practice no aspect of your designed character was seen? Was just a generic NPC model in a black robe or something, only thing that may be relatable is the character name, race, and gender. Even those could be adjusted if need be? Would that still pose an issue for you? I am sorry no matter how you frame it, it seems at the core your issue is people will not see you. Which is weird to many of us clearly, and you really have not broken down why you have this desire to be seen in a certain way by others especially to others that clearly do not have any desire to see your character for whatever reason. Yet you say we that want this feature are trying to make the other side conform to our ideals. The other side is not taking away your ability to express yourself, only thing you can really argue is this is taking your ability to be seen, but is that really the point of glam? For me glam has always been about making my character look cool to me and me alone. Idc how people view of think of my character, it is not important to me. Guess my question is why is it so important to you? It seems like a stance that stems from so deep rooted form of social appetence or validation idk. Just no one has really been able to explain why someone has to be seen by others outside of the simple desire to be noticed. If that is the case the feature would not detract from that outside of niche situations, you are free to think no one is using it and live in your world where people do see you. The only way the feature breaks that narrative is if you allow it. Someone talks to you about how busted your character looks, ignore them and move on.

[Joven]

MMOs have always been about seeing other players online as they decided to create and dress their characters. Stop trying to pretend it's normal in MMOs to control how characters not played by YOU should be forced to appear. The moment players lose control over their own characters is the day you see a lot of players quit that MMO. It's why no MMO does this and never will. And don't bring up GW2 again, it's by no means a glamor setting. Putting characters into "lowest quality character models" is about performance for computers that aren't supposed by FFXIV at all and never will be. I'm really tired of repeating myself when someone tries to lie and pretend GW2 has this option already.

Given I still believe an option like this will never exist, I have no idea why I keep coming back to this thread.

Except, for the septillionth time, it's not taking control away from anyone. It's funny how you're not addressing the first part of that quote you conveniently edited out. Also funny is how this game started growing in popularity long before glamouring was even an option. Almost like glamour isn't the end all, be all for MMOs like you're trying to make it out to be.

if that helps you sleep at night , then go for it...and thanks again for keep playing.

Ok, sure. Whatever you say.

[SnowVix]

It is what you said. How do you know if someone was wearing it, they are wearing it to express hate? Maybe they just like the look.

Wearing a Nazi outfit for any reason other than "it's costuming for a film/theater" is always an expression of hate, and the fact you're trying to argue it isn't proves you have zero good-faith here.

[Bobby66]

Wearing a Nazi outfit for any reason other than "it's costuming for a film/theater" is always an expression of hate, and the fact you're trying to argue it isn't proves you have zero good-faith here.

:P Nazi Cosplay is a thing . . . it is really only hyper controversial, and heavily viewed as hate in the west. Not everywhere teaches the war as a battle of political ideologies but simply as a conventional war. So the hatred aspect is not shared across the world.

[MaxCarnage]

Yes it is, and it's how it should be. You either want to choose to play the product offered (an MMO) with all the things that comes with as far as how that genre works, or you can leave. *shrug* Not seeing the issue here nor do I view this as a bad thing. I see in the last few pages some whackos even stooped to the level of asking for all other players to be removed entirely. In an MMO. Clearly some people have very poor understanding of the genre they are in. I don't think a SOCIAL genre should cater to the very off-genre demands of people with antisocial tendencies and personality disorders.

Yes well, you also like to block people on a forum where the whole point is to discuss and be social. So if you feel it's okay to block people then maybe you shouldn't be using the forums, by your own standard. If any person in game is on your black list, then you shouldn't be playing an MMO, as you're not accepting the "social genre". You clearly have little understanding of the genre of website or game you are using.

The "whackos" in this thread demanding to hide player models are people on your side of the arguement trying to have absurd "gotcha"s.

Also, if you want to talk about abstract demands, all this gender-unlocking is purely for western culture, as I have not seen a single person from my experience on JP servers use this new feature. That was a demand from the few and it was granted for them. It seems people weren't happy with the game they were given, so they asked for change and they got it.