[Housing] 1 House Per Service Account. 1 FC Per Service Account.

[LaylaTsarra]

Its a disgusting idea and shows they don't care if innocent players get caught in the cross fire.

Not going to happen. The extent to which some people will go to try and remove houses from people. Relative to the abuse why should those following the rules have to pay a price because of those who don't. SE needs to deal with the problem but hurting innocents who follow them isn't the solution.

Every service account is entitled to whatever that account brings. What SE needs to do is to stop the abuse of one service account buying/owning 8 FC's per server by limiting it to one FC per account period. They've done it with personals and need to do it with FC's. Hurting others isn't the solution.

[LianaThorne]

Just also throwing out that Dynamis still has like 13000 houses across all the servers. If OP is worried about the housing there then maybe help encourage more people to join instead of trying to set quotas that RMT/bots will still be able to fill regardless due to the size of their wallets.

If anyone still really wants a house and be able to acquire one with no trouble, come on over lol. We got plenty of room.

[HQuest]

SQE need to flat out restrict what people can own per service account.

People that own Multi FCs/Personals should be made to choose ONE of each

Remove the ability for people to own hundreds of houses.

I can sign up for 50 subscriptions, pay for 50 subscriptions and under your terms, still be allowed to own in excess of 3 wards with my one FC, one personal house per subscription.

For something remotely able to cut this problem, one house per human being, validated per government issued ID during subscription set up. Or how else would you know this isn't another sub from the same person?

Then think about it for a split second: would SqE brace the legal ramifications of asking everyone, under aged included, for their IDs? Would SqE be willing to store a massive trove of PII in the age of data breaching being as profitable as ever? Would SqE be willing to lower their profits by not letting same human being to pay multiple times for all benefits of one subscription? If your answer was "no" to any of these three, then you know this is a lost cause.

And yes, I understand everyone's frustration.

[Amarande]

Every service account is entitled to whatever that account brings. What SE needs to do is to stop the abuse of one service account buying/owning 8 FC's per server by limiting it to one FC per account period. They've done it with personals and need to do it with FC's. Hurting others isn't the solution.

But how? They already head it off at the actual acquisition point, far as I'm aware, no? The trouble is that does nothing about the other main way that one would get 8 FC's per server, i.e., by having another service account (or friend) who doesn't have FC land purchase the house, and then pass FC Master over to the hoarder.

Even if you lock that out, FC succession could be gamed in order to pass the house on to someone otherwise ineligible and I'm not sure how that could be limited without risking real FCs losing their homes over time (particularly in RP heavy FCs where alts are much more common), either because there is no eligible successor with that limitation, or because the only eligible successors are untrusted low-rank members who could suddenly gain control over the house.

Unless you're going to forbid people with alts from having characters in multiple housed FCs at all - which is what some people initially thought these restrictions meant when they were first put together in 4.2.

But I think the two of us in particular know how dire even the thought of such a restriction being implemented could be. It had effects even then and the memories are still sad even now.

[Packetdancer]

To them you're only an FC deserving of a large if you have 500 people active at a time funneling millions of credits into it. Everyone else can stuff themselves into smalls and be happy about it.

To be fair, my own FC could easily afford the 1m/month, and we're not that big; we've got a core of about 40 active-ish players currently, of whom I'd say about 20 are on more or less daily and doing stuff.

But I also know a lot of FCs that are much smaller, where they're like 6-7 active folks. And while they could honestly probably afford a 1m/month tax on housing ownership when everyone's active, that would require them to be active always... not the "well, we're in the content lull, I'll log on to do a roulette or two with friends this week and check on some stuff, but otherwise I'll go get caught up in that other MMO I play / catch up on my Steam single-player backlog / whatever" behavior that many of us engage in.

And an FC losing a house is a problem, because an FC must own a house in order to have access to the company workshop.

This is why I've said before that I think we should do away with FCs having housing in the wards; when an FC hits a certain rank, give them an instanced airship. You can build inside the airship (housing interior) and have an 'outside' garden on the top deck. You can have the company workshop on board, and have personal rooms on the airship for FC members. This way, no FC is getting locked out of the company workshop crafts or the submersibles.

If the FC is dead, the airship is not getting instanced (so isn't eating up a slot on the instance servers). If it's a shell FC... well, it's still not eating up space on the instance servers unless someone from the shell FC is logged in and teleported there. And then there's no way to engage in trickery and get more than one house in a housing ward by using shell FCs.

Something like that doesn't solve the problem of housing availability, but it makes it moderately less terrible... and it's probably more feasible than having fully instanced housing (e.g. doing away with the ward system) would be, on a "technical limitations of these servers" level.

[VerdeLuck]

I can sign up for 50 subscriptions, pay for 50 subscriptions and under your terms, still be allowed to own in excess of 3 wards with my one FC, one personal house per subscription.

For something remotely able to cut this problem, one house per human being, validated per government issued ID during subscription set up. Or how else would you know this isn't another sub from the same person?

Then think about it for a split second: would SqE brace the legal ramifications of asking everyone, under aged included, for their IDs? Would SqE be willing to store a massive trove of PII in the age of data breaching being as profitable as ever? Would SqE be willing to lower their profits by not letting same human being to pay multiple times for all benefits of one subscription? If your answer was "no" to any of these three, then you know this is a lost cause.

And yes, I understand everyone's frustration.

If you are going to spend 50 subscriptions a month just to deny other players from having a ward then I don't think the system should prevent that. It should prevent people from owning a whole ward or a significant number of houses on a single subscription. if you want to spend 600 USD a month on denying houses from other players then I guess no one can stop you.

[RitsukoSonoda]

TBH I'd suggested in the past an option to purchase a private airship from the Ironworks as a method of doing instanced housing while adding a gil sink to the game as players would start with an initial purchase of the base airship then pay ironworks for various upgrades and modifications.

[SigmaOZ]

@OP

I can't agree with this, SE should do something about RMT and bots but there's no need to punish legit players.

1 house and 1 FC house per server is fine.

RMTs must abuse the fact that one character per server can own up to 2 properties total (private/FC), so if we can have 40 characters under a standard subscription RMTs could have up to 80 properties total but that is everyone's right.

What SE should do is scrutinize suspicious accounts that make too much gil taking into consideration how long they play, no human can play 24/7 without rest.

[TMW001]

I like the sound of one house or apartment and one FC but sadly unless they add proper instance housing or wards that you build with friends FC only its never gonna go away.

[Raim]

@OP

I can't agree with this, SE should do something about RMT and bots but there's no need to punish legit players.

1 house and 1 FC house per server is fine.

RMTs must abuse the fact that one character per server can own up to 2 properties total (private/FC), so if we can have 40 characters under a standard subscription RMTs could have up to 80 properties total but that is everyone's right.

What SE should do is scrutinize suspicious accounts that make too much gil taking into consideration how long they play, no human can play 24/7 without rest.

It doesn't have to be punishment. Give players the gil price they paid for the extra plots back, and let them choose one to keep.