Housing Roulette was an absolute trash idea.

[Corvus_V]

To people like you who believe that because they pay a subscription they should have access to anything the game has to offer. The idea that any gear should be in game and not a seperate sale.

Well for one, the assets already exist if an NPC is wearing it; there's just a decent chance that it doesn't function as seperate gear pieces, depending. Would I pay for something like Garlean armor, because I think it looks cool? Yes. It'd require them to model it for one or two other races though, so they won't. They also likely wouldn't seperate it into the appropriate slots.

I have no idea where you got this idea that people shouldn't have to pay for a special cosmetic item; or that I would be someone arguing alongside them. What I'm arguing is that they did a shit job doing it and did it in the laziest way possible. You'll notice my problem with them is relatively consistent because it's obvious how little they put back into the game, even if they could sell it. The fact that they basically did without actually creating a new asset or seperating any of the pieces shows that it was a total cash grab; its bad because it's bad, not because it costs money. The point I'm driving across is that they're lazy and they handle things in the lazy way, not that I care. I can't fucking wear it anyway lol

Waited for it to be finished instead of rushing it because people were demanding it.

Finished to what extent? You're saying its unfinished? What would it look like if it was finished?

Yet you're here, which means you're enjoying it for the most part. If not then, as you said, would be playing something else.

I apologize. I've been having a ton of fun with Dwarf Fortress and I'm distracted

lol, lmao even

[Joven]

Ever stop to consider WHY Apartments aren't as big as Larges?

Because they're lazy and don't want to give players what they want or something. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Joven]

Well for one, the assets already exist if an NPC is wearing it; there's just a decent chance that it doesn't function as seperate gear pieces, depending. Would I pay for something like Garlean armor, because I think it looks cool? Yes. It'd require them to model it for one or two other races though, so they won't. They also likely wouldn't seperate it into the appropriate slots.

I have no idea where you got this idea that people shouldn't have to pay for a special cosmetic item; or that I would be someone arguing alongside them. What I'm arguing is that they did a shit job doing it and did it in the laziest way possible. You'll notice my problem with them is relatively consistent because it's obvious how little they put back into the game, even if they could sell it. The fact that they basically did without actually creating a new asset or seperating any of the pieces shows that it was a total cash grab; its bad because it's bad, not because it costs money. The point I'm driving across is that they're lazy and they handle things in the lazy way, not that I care. I can't fucking wear it anyway lol

You must be really new here if you've never seen multitudes of threads about people complaining about items on the cash shop costing extra. But W/E, that's neither here nor there.

Finished to what extent? You're saying its unfinished? What would it look like if it was finished?

Like making sure they have enough wards to accomodate a growing player base and ensuring people couldn't abuse the system to buy multiple houses.

[Renathras]

Because they're lazy and don't want to give players what they want or something. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Right?

Surely it can't be that they take up server space, they're expensive, they require Dev time, or any number of hundreds of technical reasons.

No, it's because SE's President - personally - hates FFXIV players and wants them to suffer, knows from internal metrics that 100% of FFXIV players say housing is their main draw of the game, and instead wants to shaft us all by funneling money out of FFXIV housing and into other games that all lose money and forces Yoshi P to go along with it. Because he just is that petty.

...it's such a ridiculous argument.

EDIT: Anyway, done with this discussion. Moving on with life. Have fun running rings around these people, I guess. o7

[Brynne]

I think instanced housing is a good suggestion, and probably the only thing that would allow supply to meet demand for personal housing. As to what they could look like, well, they already have apartments - why not expand them to include an outdoor balcony, and allow players to upgrade for an appropriate gil fee to a small house interior, a medium house interior, or a large house interior? Those interiors already exist in the game, so the balcony is the only new piece they'd have to build from scratch. I feel like such a system would satisfy a lot of people, and you could have it alongside the existing wards, as it already is.

To counter shell fcs taking up multiple plots, why not put access to workshops somewhere outside of housing? For example, a door at Cid's workshop that can be unlocked with the gil cost of a small house + workshop.

I've seen both of these things suggested multiple times, but we still don't have an explanation for if/why they wouldn't work. I'm really curious to know what stops them from implementing things like this.

[Corvus_V]

Again, define "instanced houses". How is getting rid of Apartments (never mind all the people that have those and like those that you're screwing over)

Defined, also you're the one who insists it's necessary to screw someone over, not me. Actually, people are already getting screwed over, and you're arguing that it's fine and that there's no other way.

Holy shoving words into people's mouths, Batman!

You're a character. It's like you forgot who you were 2 days ago or something.

...which would cost those oddles and oddles of money"

I didn't say it wouldn't cost anything. So you're wrong before you even make it like halfway through the paragraph. I said they can afford it, especially because they cut corners already elsewhere (not out of necessity, because they can afford it); I also said it's worth doing in spite of whatever it'd likely cost them especially given the player grief.

Considering in this very discussion someone is complaining - ABOUT THEIR LARGE I'm going to have to ask you for your source that you know people wouldn't be upset and would accept that solution...?

I know I would be happy with that.

Here's one.

No, that's what you're doing.

This and the below contradict. Literally back to back. Which one of you am I talking to today again?

You're right. I don't. But it's reasonable to suspect, given they haven't done it, that they have good reason not to.

What I'm also right about is how little they add back into the game. Which feeds back into the argument that it's also reasonable to suspect that they haven't done it simply because they don't care about player grief, they'll barely even do something easy to make a ton of money off of players who want mogstation items. Even when they do, sometimes they do it in the most "cost-effective" way possible (i.e shitty), which is to say: less than a hobbyist could do for free.

So would I, but not for housing. Housing is still a niche activity like PvP. The stuff the majority of the playerbase does are dungeons and glamour, not housing and PvP-

This is like a 3 part joke where you find out that people don't participate in it because they can't, and that people actually didn't care about PvP at all before CC because it was basically just win-trading. Also that the money that they dont spend on any of that shit they also aren't putting into the shit you want it to go into or that you think it will. Housing has been around since HW, and every expansion has come up with less, even the ones that had a net 0 effect on housing.

[Corvus_V]

Ah, more vulgarity. Typical.
I'm sorry that when people offer you rational and educated information that you don't like, you resort to petty vulgarity instead of accepting you're wrong. Folks like me aren't white knighting, we're explaining reality.

Contradicts the above, also you're wrong and you don't represent reality, you're riding a multi-million dollar company that is afloat because of FFXIV's community dragging it forward like Michael Phelps through peanut butter.

But, given this is your caliber, I see no reason for further engagement. /shrug

This is what you said 2 days ago because I pointed out what it was, and you didn't have a counter-argument because you don't know shit. Oops! I said a bad word.

You've been told why you're wrong.

Yeah, sure.

whatever

I almost literally did this in the first paragraph, and then did it again for you in the third. (Which I edited in. You're not exactly innocent of leaving things precisely the way they are either.) Though to be even more fair, the person who quoted me quoted my original post and completely understood what I meant.

uncustomizable house in a placeholder Ward

What the hell are you even talking about? Who said anything had to be not customizable?

Ever stop to consider WHY Apartments aren't as big as Larges?

Maybe it's so people don't just buy apartments? Why can't people cross-glam class gear? Why can't they just place housing items on an XYZ? Why doesn't the market board function like any other game with an AH where it's not god awful? You think this is the only thing they've ever deliberately made inconvenient and frustrating for no actually good reason?

No, it's because SE's President - personally - hates FFXIV players

This really is hilarious. One of you accuses me of being privileged for being able to pay a sub, and the other contends with the reality of finding out why anyone would ever have to struggle to pay for one.

You must be really new here if you've never seen multitudes of threads about people complaining about items on the cash shop costing extra. But W/E, that's neither here nor there.

insular forum community

Like making sure they have enough wards to accomodate a growing player base and ensuring people couldn't abuse the system to buy multiple houses.

Assuming they could ever have enough wards to accomodate demand? Which one of us is being unrealistic again? We're back to blaming it on the 2 missing wards from that shock factor screenshot from Seraph and Mateus?

[HQuest]

There is not really a right answer to the housing system. The placard was horrendous. The lottery gets abused. Instanced houses makes it no different from your semi-deserted island called “sanctuary”. Having unlimited houses and giving them away to anyone that walks in and pays for one isn’t the solution either, although it would make pointless for those abusing the system and collecting entire wards just because.

Increasing the amount of houses one can bid, similar to the three weekly Cacpot tickets, could improve perception, in a sense, of one’s chances of success.

However exploitation is still here. It will always allows abuse by players paying multiple subscriptions and reselling the FC to whoever is willing to pay 10-1000x more than the actual plot value, then selling the gil for real money and cashing out to cover his/her expenses with the extra subscriptions. And to that, nothing much can be done: it is still a paying subscriber, regardless of where the payment comes from - including from the same bank account.

And if they truly, really, deeply want to fix this housing problem, then they have to go a much deeper rabbit hole: ask for valid government ID during account creation, so they can ensure multiple subscriptions from the very same person isn't allowed to buy more than one house in that realm. Which they never would pursue it: first, for legal reasons; second, for data security reasons; third, it would impact their revenue.

IMHO SqE has to first learn how to make the game dynamic, removing the loading when moving from zone A to B in an adjacent region, before they can tackle a more dynamic housing area with many more plots per ward, able to scale with how many houses are being demanded from players. Then the plot limits could be reviewed and more zones added into that ward, able to expand how many plots are available and therefore how many more houses are available.

That, and players learning not everything solves with the swipe of a plastic thing, and patience is a virtue.

And yes, I lost the lottery for the plots I bid on. Both personal and for the FC I’m in.

[Anienai]

I won 2 houses (1 FC, 1 private) with the new system w/o much effort. I love the new system.

[Joven]

insular forum community

...says the person using the forums trying to make changes...

Assuming they could ever have enough wards to accomodate demand? Which one of us is being unrealistic again? We're back to blaming it on the 2 missing wards from that shock factor screenshot from Seraph and Mateus?

I just checked on my server and at least 3 wards in the Goblet alone were owned by a single player each. As well as several mediums and larges being available. I know you're going to fire back with "underpopulated server" yet Spriggan is one of the most populated on my data center so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯*.