Housing Roulette was an absolute trash idea.

[MrJPtheAssassin]

So what's your solution that will fix it and have no downsides and not cost SE far more money than it's worth?

I do agree a 7 day cycle would be nice, though. Or 14 day. Something that works evenly in a week. But I don't think it's necessary, I just don't see it as particularly worse or better. I guess I'm ambivalent on that.

Tbh I shouldn't even reply to you since I have you on ignore list and you are one of the main ppl on this thread that gets under my skin the most but hey I just hate myself I guess. Why do I have to come up with a solution for problems the devs created themselves? I stand by what I say that you and other who don't like the idea are just nah-sayers and want everyone to think it's impossible when its not. Yeah, it would mean they would need to spend money on reworking the housing system but they could do it and make a bunch of ppl happy. Just because you and others want to cling to the fantasy idea of a neighborhood feel, that doesn't even exist since no one hangs out in the wards anyway and rather afk in limsa, doesn't mean anything to me and the other who wants instanced housing. You say we need to stop isn't going to make us stop. I'm going to continue and no one especially you, a negative lil lala, is going to stop me or discourage me. So you keep on with your "Its impossible" train and I keep going on my "instanced housing is only the real fix" train. By the way, other games(including mmos) have shown that instanced housing can work so it's not all impossible. Just requires the devs to actually put in more work and money instead of making cheap and lazy glam items for the cash shop.

[Denji]

i'm sorry but at least this gives me a chance instead of competing against a literal machine that can spam-click a thousand times a minute
it still sucks and i am not defending it but man at least i have a better chance now.

[Renathras]

When I said 90%...

Ah, okay, that makes more sense. I think that might partly be the biggest servers, though. My server is one of (as far as I can tell) the bigger ones on Primal (not the biggest, though), and when I've checked with prior auctions, the range tends to be 30-70 depending on plot. I'm not sure what it will be next week with everyone who didn't win scrambling for the plots left, though...

Tbh I shouldn't even reply...

I'm sure, though I'd point out having people on ignore who aren't trolls (clearly my posts are thought out and reasoned, so at the very least you can be sure of that) isn't entirely...well, whatever.

For why you have to come up with a solution: Because you're the one insisting there is one. The post I reply to you were berating people thinking this was the best solution. But you have no better one. So this may, in fact, be the best one. If you weren't so sure there was a better way, I wouldn't have asked.

You say we're nay-sayers, but we seem to have a better handle on it than you do. Instead of explaining why we're wrong, you just tell us we are. Again, you don't have a solution. You aren't saying "Instanced housing is possible and doable and wouldn't break the bank because...". Instead, you seem to simply assume it is and attack those who say otherwise. "make a bunch of ppl happy" - how many? What percentage of the playerbase are we talking to spend literally millions of dollars trying to please? 1%? 3%? 5%? "fantasy idea of a neighborhood feel" - how is it a "fantasy idea"? Just today I was mucking around my house and ran into a neighbor and struck up a conversation. I like looking at other people's designs and what they're doing in the neighborhood. How is an actual thing a "fantasy idea"? (Never mind this is a "fantasy" game, so that would be fitting...)

"who wants instanced housing" - okay, what is that? What even is instanced housing? I think I asked you to define the term before, but I've not seen anyone offer a concrete definition of what that is. Probably because that would allow it to be pointed out how it isn't feasible. But when you say "instanced housing", what do you mean exactly?

Where did I say you "need to stop"? You're trying to ascribe motivations to people that they don't have. "negative lil lala"? I'm not being negative, I'm just describing reality. There's neither positive nor negative in my appraisals.

"So you keep on with..." - If it's not impossible, tell me how it's not impossible. you know, the thing I asked you to do that you immediately said you weren't going to do? How are you so sure it's not impossible?

"other games have shown that instanced housing..." - again, define instanced housing. Then we can talk about if it's possible in this game or not. Other games also have PvP and playable Panda Bear races. Some other game having something doesn't mean it would work in this game.

[MrJPtheAssassin]

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Be my last reply to you and then I put you back on ignore bc I just cant stand you at all. I just say that I agree to disagree and leave it that. Have fun settlering on anything the devs give us and never challenge them to change things. I'm sure that mindset won't hurt them or the game in the long run. Have a wonderful day and bless your heart.

[Corvus_V]

So what's your solution that will fix it and have no downsides and not cost SE far more money than it's worth?

Get rid of apartments and make them instanced houses instead. There. Since you insist that it'll bankrupt Square Enix to solve the problem rather than alleviate it for some reason. Without having any kind of poll or anyone and being so wildly out of touch about the issue that you think people want smalls and they're entitled for wanting anything larger: that's your solution. Which would allow for them to not have to actually add anything and just repurpose something else. Same instances, generally less deco count, etc. Skyboxes aren't hard to make, and multiple could be made to simulate different zones without requiring walkable geometry. Aside from that, plots are flat. There's your exterior. The interior is already in the game. I promise you people aren't furious about the fact that they can't place 20 more items in their yard for people in a ward to see. They could just make apartments a magic box, and dozens of people would even be happy with that as lazy as that would be.

Regardless,
You're back here again spouting this shit as fact when you don't know that. You have no idea how much it would cost, but FFXIV is their most profitable venture. Rather than have it fund projects like Guardians of the Galaxy and Forspoken with its absolutely dogshit script, I'd prefer if it was put back into the game. If this were the actually the case, maybe they'd be able to keep up with a couple of hobbyists in terms of assets, and actually making QoL changes to the game that people feel the game actually needs; that unfortunately, some people have made in order to make up for their failures without breaking anything. It stands to reason that because they don't, they aren't. This is why they very likely have budget to spare and aren't appropriating it right. This is why I don't name Yoshi P in particular whenever this topic comes up, because it isn't necessarily his fault so much as it is Square Enix. So please, stop the riding. It's actually really sad.

Also, wasting time on the definition of what instanced housing is doesn't help. Everyone knows what it is, pretending it's inconsistent just because people have different ideas of what it would look like is disingenous.
It's functionally what apartments are. People don't want them because they are small and have pitiful decoration limits compared to larger houses. An instanced house would either be simply an interior, or one exterior that leads to the interior that doesn't have a persistent exterior location in a ward. Like I said above. This already technically exists, and players can already technically get them by owning an FC apartment and a regular apartment concurrently (which isn't regulated by how many plots are available), but the location you "enter" is the size of a shoebox and has a small decoration limit.

[Corvus_V]

If they did that they'd never hear the end about how they're scamming the playerbase. The mogshop is already a point of contention as it is.

To who? and why? The mogstation items suck, lmao. They're totally inconsequential. You're not aware of how awfully received the Gaia outfit is? It's one of the laziest ports they've ever added, it's not about the money. They simply are just too lazy to add dozens of other npc outfits as well, because they can barely even be bothered to make more than 10 unique sets of armor per expansion. People do stuff like this in their spare time for fun and it probably doesn't count as a FTJ.

Good vision, poor execution. It can work but they should have waited.

Waited for what?

Being able to afford things others can't is a privilege

No it isn't, but I'm not going to argue with you about the world in general or what working people do with their money being a privilege. You're allowed to reply again in this line and I'll ignore it without debating you because no matter what you say you're wrong.

and as far as being grateful, it's a two way street. The playerbase should be grateful the developers released something they can enjoy and the developers should be grateful the players enjoy it.

If Square Enix didn't make Final Fantasy XIV, I wouldn't be here complaining about it. I'd play something else with my friends since it theoretically wouldn't exist for anyone else with more attachment than I do to miss it.

I have been 100% supportive of completely revamping the housing system to fix supply issues since forever

I'll admit I was nitpicking, because as you can see page per page, people like to come up with solutions that continue to ruin it for swathes of the playerbase by maintaining the status quo or not thinking long term. So when I saw "try" my most immediate thought was "This person thinks the lottery is good, specifically because it was better than placard spamming" I apologize. I've been having a ton of fun with Dwarf Fortress and I'm distracted, and just annoyed that there's no alleged end in sight to this bullshit, and the people who are apathetic about it love to defend their insular forum communities against any kind of criticism against SE when it's their problem to fix. Also, I hit my post limit yesterday simulating a unamicable divorce from FFXIV small houses for their impotence. I even plagiarized my apology letter; now you have a sincere one.

[MrJPtheAssassin]

Get rid of apartments and make them instanced houses instead. There. Since you insist that it'll bankrupt Square Enix to solve the problem rather than alleviate it for some reason. Without having any kind of poll or anyone and being so wildly out of touch about the issue that you think people want smalls and they're entitled for wanting anything larger: that's your solution. Which would allow for them to not have to actually add anything and just repurpose something else. Same instances, generally less deco count, etc. Skyboxes aren't hard to make, and multiple could be made to simulate different zones without requiring walkable geometry. Aside from that, plots are flat. There's your exterior. The interior is already in the game. I promise you people aren't furious about the fact that they can't place 20 more items in their yard for people in a ward to see. They could just make apartments a magic box, and dozens of people would even be happy with that as lazy as that would be.

Regardless,
You're back here again spouting this shit as fact when you don't know that. You have no idea how much it would cost, but FFXIV is their most profitable venture. Rather than have it fund projects like Guardians of the Galaxy and Forspoken with its absolutely dogshit script, I'd prefer if it was put back into the game. If this were the actually the case, maybe they'd be able to keep up with a couple of hobbyists in terms of assets, and actually making QoL changes to the game that it people feel the game actually needs; that unfortunately, some people have made in order to make up for their failures without breaking anything. It stands to reason that because they don't, they aren't. This is why they very likely have budget to spare and aren't appropriating it right. This is why I don't name Yoshi P in particular whenever this topic comes up, because it isn't necessarily his fault so much as it is Square Enix. So please, stop the riding. It's actually really sad.

I know I would be happy with that. That alone would make apartments so much better than what they are now. I would gladly give up my current house if the apartment was like this since I don't need a ward. No one is around to look at my house anyway right now so why would I care if ppl couldnt see it in an instance.

[Joven]

To who? and why? The mogstation items suck, lmao. They're totally inconsequential. You're not aware of how awfully received the Gaia outfit is? It's one of the laziest ports they've ever added, it's not about the money. They simply are just too lazy to add dozens of other npc outfits as well, because they can barely even be bothered to make more than 10 unique sets of armor per expansion. People do stuff like this in their spare time for fun and it probably doesn't count as a FTJ.

To people like you who believe that because they pay a subscription they should have access to everything the game has to offer. The idea that any items made should be in game and not a seperate sale.

Waited for what?

Waited for it to be finished instead of rushing it because people were demanding it.

No it isn't, but I'm not going to argue with you about the world in general or what working people do with their money being a privilege. You're allowed to reply again in this line and I'll ignore it without debating you because no matter what you say you're wrong.

Agree to disagree then and just because you do doesn't make me wrong.

If Square Enix didn't make Final Fantasy XIV, I wouldn't be here complaining about it. I'd play something else with my friends since it theoretically wouldn't exist for anyone else with more attachment than I do to miss it.

Yet you're here, which means you're enjoying it for the most part. If not then, as you said, would be playing something else.

[Renathras]

Be my last reply to you and then I put you back on ignore bc I just cant stand you at all.

Translation: "Ren, you present actual reasoned arguments and ask me questions I don't have the answers to, so I'm going to run from you rather than being an adult and either presenting my case or admitting I might be wrong and don't have one."

Got it.

Get rid of apartments and make them instanced houses instead.

Again, define "instanced houses". How is getting rid of Apartments (never mind all the people that have those and like those that you're screwing over) and replacing them with this undefined "instanced housing" going to work? Or be cheap? Or not have the technical problems that have been outlined?

Without having any kind of poll or anyone and being so wildly out of touch about the issue that you think people want smalls and they're entitled for wanting anything larger:

Holy shoving words into people's mouths, Batman!

Which would allow for them to not have to actually add anything and just repurpose something else.

...which would cost those oddles and oddles of money and have all the technical problems outlined. You're presenting a solution of "That thing you guys said doesn't work and presented arguments to why it doesn't work and why it'd be expensive? Yeah, that's my solution. I'm just going to pretend there's no cost and no technical problems instead of presenting an argument for why you're wrong that there are."

I promise you people aren't furious about the fact that they can't place 20 more items in their yard for people in a ward to see. They could just make apartments a magic box, and dozens of people would even be happy with that as lazy as that would be.

Considering in this very discussion someone is complaining - ABOUT THEIR LARGE - because they can't make the outside to their liking in the shared public space for all to see, I'm going to have to ask you for your source that you know people wouldn't be upset and would accept that solution...?

You're back here again spouting this shit as fact when you don't know that.

No, that's what you're doing.

With vulgarity for added effect.

You have no idea how much it would cost,

You're right. I don't. But it's reasonable to suspect, given they haven't done it, that they have good reason not to. Probably expense is a big one considering it requires additional server space, and servers happen to be expensive. To say nothing of the Dev time coding and trying to make it all work.

...I'd prefer if it was put back into the game.

So would I, but not for housing. Housing is still a niche activity like PvP. The stuff the majority of the playerbase does are dungeons and glamour, not housing and PvP. If we're to be dumping huge sums of money from the game into improvements on the game, let's start with those things that a majority/everyone enjoys (or would enjoy if there was more of it) rather than these niche things that only a small segment of the playerbase cares about and an even smaller amount to great depths.

So please, stop the riding. It's actually really sad.

Ah, more vulgarity. Typical.

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I'm sorry that when people offer you rational and educated information that you don't like, you resort to petty vulgarity instead of accepting you're wrong. Folks like me aren't white knighting, we're explaining reality.

But, given this is your caliber, I see no reason for further engagement. /shrug

You've been told why you're wrong. If you aren't, you should offer counter arguments, not insults and swear words/implied innuendo. If you can't do that, you should realize you're likely wrong.

[Renathras]

Also, wasting time on the definition of what instanced housing is doesn't help. Everyone knows what it is, pretending it's inconsistent just because people have different ideas of what it would look like is disingenous.
It's functionally what apartments are. People don't want them because they are small and have pitiful decoration limits compared to larger houses. An instanced house would either be simply an interior, or one exterior that leads to the interior that doesn't have a persistent exterior location in a ward. Like I said above. This already technically exists, and players can already technically get them by owning an FC apartment and a regular apartment concurrently, but the location you "enter" is the size of a shoebox and has a small decoration limit.

Stealth edit?

It's not "wasting time". People are using this term but we don't have a shared definition. "Everyone knows" - okay, then what is it? If EVERYONE knows, it should be easy for you to put it into words or cite the agreed upon definition.

I don't ask this question idly. I suspect many who are proposing it don't know what it actually is. As I pointed out before, it would either be an uncustomizable house in a placeholder Ward where you go to the door to zone into your house's interior (people would hate this) or an unshared instanced zone like Island Sanctuary, which lacks customization (people would hate this as well). That's what Instanced Housing is. If you have another definition, I'd love to hear it, because this definition is what people would hate, not love.

I ask the question also to see if the people proposing it actually know what it is or not. Far from "disingenous", it's an effort to actually have a conversation by ensuring we have a shared understanding/definition of the thing we're discussing so we can clearly discuss the pros and cons involved. Something I suspect you don't wish to do because it would make your argument far more difficult.

Ever stop to consider WHY Apartments aren't as big as Larges?