Housing Roulette was an absolute trash idea.

[Renathras]

Be my last reply to you and then I put you back on ignore bc I just cant stand you at all.

Translation: "Ren, you present actual reasoned arguments and ask me questions I don't have the answers to, so I'm going to run from you rather than being an adult and either presenting my case or admitting I might be wrong and don't have one."

Got it.

Get rid of apartments and make them instanced houses instead.

Again, define "instanced houses". How is getting rid of Apartments (never mind all the people that have those and like those that you're screwing over) and replacing them with this undefined "instanced housing" going to work? Or be cheap? Or not have the technical problems that have been outlined?

Without having any kind of poll or anyone and being so wildly out of touch about the issue that you think people want smalls and they're entitled for wanting anything larger:

Holy shoving words into people's mouths, Batman!

Which would allow for them to not have to actually add anything and just repurpose something else.

...which would cost those oddles and oddles of money and have all the technical problems outlined. You're presenting a solution of "That thing you guys said doesn't work and presented arguments to why it doesn't work and why it'd be expensive? Yeah, that's my solution. I'm just going to pretend there's no cost and no technical problems instead of presenting an argument for why you're wrong that there are."

I promise you people aren't furious about the fact that they can't place 20 more items in their yard for people in a ward to see. They could just make apartments a magic box, and dozens of people would even be happy with that as lazy as that would be.

Considering in this very discussion someone is complaining - ABOUT THEIR LARGE - because they can't make the outside to their liking in the shared public space for all to see, I'm going to have to ask you for your source that you know people wouldn't be upset and would accept that solution...?

You're back here again spouting this shit as fact when you don't know that.

No, that's what you're doing.

With vulgarity for added effect.

You have no idea how much it would cost,

You're right. I don't. But it's reasonable to suspect, given they haven't done it, that they have good reason not to. Probably expense is a big one considering it requires additional server space, and servers happen to be expensive. To say nothing of the Dev time coding and trying to make it all work.

...I'd prefer if it was put back into the game.

So would I, but not for housing. Housing is still a niche activity like PvP. The stuff the majority of the playerbase does are dungeons and glamour, not housing and PvP. If we're to be dumping huge sums of money from the game into improvements on the game, let's start with those things that a majority/everyone enjoys (or would enjoy if there was more of it) rather than these niche things that only a small segment of the playerbase cares about and an even smaller amount to great depths.

So please, stop the riding. It's actually really sad.

Ah, more vulgarity. Typical.

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I'm sorry that when people offer you rational and educated information that you don't like, you resort to petty vulgarity instead of accepting you're wrong. Folks like me aren't white knighting, we're explaining reality.

But, given this is your caliber, I see no reason for further engagement. /shrug

You've been told why you're wrong. If you aren't, you should offer counter arguments, not insults and swear words/implied innuendo. If you can't do that, you should realize you're likely wrong.

[Renathras]

Also, wasting time on the definition of what instanced housing is doesn't help. Everyone knows what it is, pretending it's inconsistent just because people have different ideas of what it would look like is disingenous.
It's functionally what apartments are. People don't want them because they are small and have pitiful decoration limits compared to larger houses. An instanced house would either be simply an interior, or one exterior that leads to the interior that doesn't have a persistent exterior location in a ward. Like I said above. This already technically exists, and players can already technically get them by owning an FC apartment and a regular apartment concurrently, but the location you "enter" is the size of a shoebox and has a small decoration limit.

Stealth edit?

It's not "wasting time". People are using this term but we don't have a shared definition. "Everyone knows" - okay, then what is it? If EVERYONE knows, it should be easy for you to put it into words or cite the agreed upon definition.

I don't ask this question idly. I suspect many who are proposing it don't know what it actually is. As I pointed out before, it would either be an uncustomizable house in a placeholder Ward where you go to the door to zone into your house's interior (people would hate this) or an unshared instanced zone like Island Sanctuary, which lacks customization (people would hate this as well). That's what Instanced Housing is. If you have another definition, I'd love to hear it, because this definition is what people would hate, not love.

I ask the question also to see if the people proposing it actually know what it is or not. Far from "disingenous", it's an effort to actually have a conversation by ensuring we have a shared understanding/definition of the thing we're discussing so we can clearly discuss the pros and cons involved. Something I suspect you don't wish to do because it would make your argument far more difficult.

Ever stop to consider WHY Apartments aren't as big as Larges?

[Joven]

Ever stop to consider WHY Apartments aren't as big as Larges?

Because they're lazy and don't want to give players what they want or something. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Renathras]

Because they're lazy and don't want to give players what they want or something. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Right?

Surely it can't be that they take up server space, they're expensive, they require Dev time, or any number of hundreds of technical reasons.

No, it's because SE's President - personally - hates FFXIV players and wants them to suffer, knows from internal metrics that 100% of FFXIV players say housing is their main draw of the game, and instead wants to shaft us all by funneling money out of FFXIV housing and into other games that all lose money and forces Yoshi P to go along with it. Because he just is that petty.

...it's such a ridiculous argument.

EDIT: Anyway, done with this discussion. Moving on with life. Have fun running rings around these people, I guess. o7

[Corvus_V]

Ah, more vulgarity. Typical.
I'm sorry that when people offer you rational and educated information that you don't like, you resort to petty vulgarity instead of accepting you're wrong. Folks like me aren't white knighting, we're explaining reality.

Contradicts the above, also you're wrong and you don't represent reality, you're riding a multi-million dollar company that is afloat because of FFXIV's community dragging it forward like Michael Phelps through peanut butter.

But, given this is your caliber, I see no reason for further engagement. /shrug

This is what you said 2 days ago because I pointed out what it was, and you didn't have a counter-argument because you don't know shit. Oops! I said a bad word.

You've been told why you're wrong.

Yeah, sure.

whatever

I almost literally did this in the first paragraph, and then did it again for you in the third. (Which I edited in. You're not exactly innocent of leaving things precisely the way they are either.) Though to be even more fair, the person who quoted me quoted my original post and completely understood what I meant.

uncustomizable house in a placeholder Ward

What the hell are you even talking about? Who said anything had to be not customizable?

Ever stop to consider WHY Apartments aren't as big as Larges?

Maybe it's so people don't just buy apartments? Why can't people cross-glam class gear? Why can't they just place housing items on an XYZ? Why doesn't the market board function like any other game with an AH where it's not god awful? You think this is the only thing they've ever deliberately made inconvenient and frustrating for no actually good reason?

No, it's because SE's President - personally - hates FFXIV players

This really is hilarious. One of you accuses me of being privileged for being able to pay a sub, and the other contends with the reality of finding out why anyone would ever have to struggle to pay for one.

You must be really new here if you've never seen multitudes of threads about people complaining about items on the cash shop costing extra. But W/E, that's neither here nor there.

insular forum community

Like making sure they have enough wards to accomodate a growing player base and ensuring people couldn't abuse the system to buy multiple houses.

Assuming they could ever have enough wards to accomodate demand? Which one of us is being unrealistic again? We're back to blaming it on the 2 missing wards from that shock factor screenshot from Seraph and Mateus?

[Joven]

insular forum community

...says the person using the forums trying to make changes...

Assuming they could ever have enough wards to accomodate demand? Which one of us is being unrealistic again? We're back to blaming it on the 2 missing wards from that shock factor screenshot from Seraph and Mateus?

I just checked on my server and at least 3 wards in the Goblet alone were owned by a single player each. As well as several mediums and larges being available. I know you're going to fire back with "underpopulated server" yet Spriggan is one of the most populated on my data center so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯*.

[Corvus_V]

...says the person using the forums trying to make changes...

I'm doing it elsewhere as well.

I just checked on my server

You literally went to a server with no people on it with your friends so they could buy houses. If you went to the most popualted server on your DC with those hopes in particular, then I don't even know what point you were trying to make. Maybe you shouldn't be on a European Datacenter.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯*

[MrJPtheAssassin]

Considering in this very discussion someone is complaining - ABOUT THEIR LARGE - because they can't make the outside to their liking in the shared public space for all to see, I'm going to have to ask you for your source that you know people wouldn't be upset and would accept that solution...?

Since I am pretty sure you mean me since I did complain about my large and its yard. I never said I hated the fact I couldn't make the yard to my liking for others to see. I honestly don't give a damn what other ppl think about my house or my large(no one sees it anyway bc you know NO ONE HANGS OUT IN WARDs!!!!!). Even if ppl was around to look at my house I wouldn't care. I didn't get a house or want a house to show off to others. I wanted a place of my own to just hang out by myself and make it look nice for myself. I even said a bunch of times I never really wanted a large in the first place. I was talked into getting it by a friend who I lost as a friend a while back. I rather have a med bc they are easier to decorate and have a decent item cap that a small house cant get you. Even apartments are bad bc they have even lower item caps as smalls. So yeah instanced housing would be a lot better for me bc I get what I want. A med to a large size room(with the item cap of those houses) to call my own and use as I please. Guess you just can't understand that since it seems like you really like showing off how smart you are when you really are not. You even put words in other mouths to try to prove your point. Like this time since none of my posts about my large ever said I care what others think about my yard. If anyone wants my large they can have it bc Im hoping in the next cycle Im gone from that trash goblet location and into a med in Ishgrad or somewhere else.