Ungendered sit poses, please?

[crystallineAbyss]

You may have noticed that one of the shared poses depend on the rough character height, meaning it wouldn't be as simple as "just scale it", at the end of the day it doesn't matter how simple or not simple it would be, it's extra workload, and you can live without it.

Female midlanders and miqote have more in common with their male counterparts than they do female highlanders, roegadyn, and lalafell - yet they still share gendered animations. The existence of the universal kneel sit is proof it works and they have the tools. That's it. It's not like I'm demanding every animation. It's asking for four.

[Iscah]

You might know more than me, but I don't see why a custom list would require more data to be sent. If what currently happens is sending one of 5 numbers, wouldn't a list just add a 6th or greater number to the same packet of data?

I think this would have to be the case with poses especially because we can select them manually. Every time we do, that information needs to be sent to the server. I'd think auto cpose would do the same thing. It doesn't send the entire list including which poses it's not currently using, it just sends info on what pose is in use.

To be clear, I am just guessing. But I think it would depend where the randomising is being calculated.

If it's being done at your end and then transmitted each time you change pose, it wouldn't change. But that seems inefficient to have to keep sending new numbers every X seconds.

But if what it does is send the instructions on how to pose your character, and then let the other computer deal with generating a random number pose to shift to each time, then it would need more detailed instructions if it has to skip over some of the possible poses.

[Renalt]

A brief summary of this thread's history:

OP: "I would like the 4 new sit poses to be available for everybody "

"Gross! My female Hyur manspreading!"

OP: "We wouldn't be losing existing choices, just expanding on what we already have. We can add a toggle or--"

"Not everything needs to be neutral! Races and genders should be distinct!"

OP: "I just asked for sit poses that are already universal."

"Viera already have nothing and now you want our hair, ears, emotes, laugh, walk cycle, etc."

"No, I want the 4 new sit poses everybody has anyway."

"Why should I play Viera when it's the inferior option?"

OP: "..."

(somewhere in the distance out of nowhere)

"Men in dresses are an ugly eyesore ruining my bubble pink catgirl's immersion. You make everything about politics!"

[Iscah]

Female midlanders and miqote have more in common with their male counterparts than they do female highlanders, roegadyn, and lalafell - yet they still share gendered animations. The existence of the universal kneel sit is proof it works and they have the tools. That's it. It's not like I'm demanding every animation. It's asking for four.

More in common in what way? I don't know the technicalities of models, but I do have a female Roegadyn alt, and there's really nothing different to Midlander besides poses and scale. It's not like male Roegadyn where they're three times the width of other models.

[HollowedDoll]

Female midlanders and miqote have more in common with their male counterparts than they do female highlanders, roegadyn, and lalafell - yet they still share gendered animations. The existence of the universal kneel sit is proof it works and they have the tools. That's it. It's not like I'm demanding every animation. It's asking for four.

Sitting on the ground is different, sitting on objects means you would float or sink depending on height unless it's adjusted

Female midlander and miqote don't even share the new sitting animation

It's: Female Miqote, Au Ra
Hyur Female, Highlander, Viera
Elezen Female, Femroe

for Male I think Miqote, Mid, High, Viera share
Roe has it's own
Elezen and Au Ra

Lalas tend to have their own anims and it seems to be the same thing ARR npcs in Uldah do for both genders so there is your "ungendered" pose I guess

they did the distribution this way for a reason outside of just a "whim"

Yes, they have the tools, they literally could do anything, doesn't mean they should just because you want them to.

You're not even asking for 4 new animations as there's 8 total new animations of only 2 of which is universal by gender ( Not counting Lalafell )

Once again, extra workload that they could spend on actually useful things like uhm idk fixing viera hair, or literally anything else.

[RobynDaBank]

Lalafells also have that new sitting /cpose that Miqo'te and Viera female got, BTW.

[HollowedDoll]

Lalafells also have that new sitting /cpose that Miqo'te and Viera female got, BTW.

Yes, 1 new animation per gender is shared by all members
I can see how the way I wrote it was confusing, In total it'd be 9 animations if you count lalafell but I don't think the ARR npc leg kicking sit would transfer over well to anyone that isn't the size of a potato.

[Zomkei]

"Why should I play Viera when it's the inferior option?"

the guy spouting about becoming an inferior race is probably my favorite addition to this train wreck

[crystallineAbyss]

More in common in what way? I don't know the technicalities of models, but I do have a female Roegadyn alt, and there's really nothing different to Midlander besides poses and scale. It's not like male Roegadyn where they're three times the width of other models.

They were saying size was the factor for why female and male are different but if that were the case, why do the short women share animations with the big women? It's really nothing that different + we have universal animations - like the linkpearl emote! Which doesn't sync up to Viera or Miqo'te ears.

[crystallineAbyss]

Sitting on the ground is different, sitting on objects means you would float or sink depending on height unless it's adjusted

Female midlander and miqote don't even share the new sitting animation

It's: Female Miqote, Au Ra
Hyur Female, Highlander, Viera
Elezen Female, Femroe

for Male I think Miqote, Mid, High, Viera share
Roe has it's own
Elezen and Au Ra

Lalas tend to have their own anims and it seems to be the same thing ARR npcs in Uldah do for both genders so there is your "ungendered" pose I guess

they did the distribution this way for a reason outside of just a "whim"

Yes, they have the tools, they literally could do anything, doesn't mean they should just because you want them to.

You're not even asking for 4 new animations as there's 8 total new animations of only 2 of which is universal by gender ( Not counting Lalafell )

Once again, extra workload that they could spend on actually useful things like uhm idk fixing viera hair, or literally anything else.

Since you're arguing we should just play male characters if we want this so bad, maybe you should stop playing Viera if you want hair and hats so bad.
Do you see how ridiculous of an argument this is, especially with the fact they've been adding universal neutral animations that were previously race and gender specific into cutscenes? That there are plenty of emotes identical across everybody?
It's just a couple of animations. Be serious.