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    Quote Originally Posted by VerdeLuck View Post
    Especially when changing your charcter costs real money or a couple hundred hour grind to make a new one, it feels terrible to get stranded on one that just straight up has less.
    I propose a solution then, give everyone access to everything.

    Quote Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer View Post
    It's a request to get rid of the uniqueness we already have for uniqness you personally want.
    If that is the case, then the request to unlock content is still a request for uniqueness. What it isn't is asking to get rid of options that we already have. Roes would still have their emotes if they were available to Miqote.

    Roe emotes should stay roe emotes, same for every other race. Same for genders to. Thats a big part of what makes them unique. If I want male emotes I'll play a male character.
    (Also where in the current game does everyone look like robots exactly?)
    In a game with only 5 or so idle poses per character that are arbitrarily tied to body type, you don't have to look very hard to find repetition. That's the problem with limiting things to Roes or Hyurs, or whatever and what leads to instances where the same idle pose stands out because a dozen people are using it as if they were robots.

    Clearly not everyone feels the same way on emotes and poses, but I think I made it clear that the point isn't to take away uniqueness.

    This isn't real life.
    It's certainly inspired by real life in a number of ways. All player characters are essentially human or have human traits, and the game attempts to capture the variety seen in people physically in the character creator. All I want is the same to go for personalty. I don't know how you design your own characters but I tend to put a little bit of me into them. In a lot of cases I play the most "normal" race in a game, but in the case of FF14 the mannerisms were so far off I've felt better represented by characters with cat ears and a tail for instance.

    It's a game with visions in place from people in a whole other country n culture. Yall need to understand this. I'd love to have a female version of Snows outfit but I'm not gonna waste my time hoping or asking for it as it's a male outfit. I can accept this and move on to the 100s of other things I can wear. Maybe I'm just old school
    You make it sound like asking for what you want is a bad thing. The forum exists partially to receive feedback and apply it to the game. What gave us Viera? Asking. What gave us more variety in outfits? Asking. What gave us more glam plates and dresser space? Asking. Where would we be without making requests? Probably a much worse iteration of FF14.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nyxs View Post
    This is what ppl are like now. So not surprising. “Whaaaa everything be neutral or we cry and riot!”

    People need to stop this cringe behaviour. We do not need to conform to their ideals of neutrality and including everyone for everything. People need to stop pushing it on people.
    I don't know why you want to make this political. People ask for something they want, a completely reasonable act, and then there are comments like yours that have to paint it as a conspiracy theory or something. I don't know what ideals you're talking about or who we're conforming to. I just want to enjoy my video game.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gemina View Post
    This isn't about having more options, this is about you thinking you have some sort of entitlement to having access to everything because you're a paying subscriber somehow grants you that privilege.
    Why is it that asking for something is conflated with demanding to have it? Where is the entitlement exactly in trying to improve something you enjoy? Why is there a limit to what we can ask for?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PyurBlue View Post
    I don't know why you want to make this political. People ask for something they want, a completely reasonable act, and then there are comments like yours that have to paint it as a conspiracy theory or something. I don't know what ideals you're talking about or who we're conforming to. I just want to enjoy my video game.
    It's REAL funny how they keep coming into these threads with CLEAR political motivations, telling folks their non gender confirming characters look "bad" and are an"eyesore" and anybody who has no problem with it is "cringe". Then they turn around and claim it's actually everybody else who is echoing politics where they don't belong. Why? In their mind a male character EXISTING in a dress = political. A female EXISTING and using a masculine sit pose = Political. Pure, unfettered projection.
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    Ikara Graydancer
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    Quote Originally Posted by PyurBlue View Post
    I propose a solution then, give everyone access to everything.


    If that is the case, then the request to unlock content is still a request for uniqueness. What it isn't is asking to get rid of options that we already have. Roes would still have their emotes if they were available to Miqote.


    In a game with only 5 or so idle poses per character that are arbitrarily tied to body type, you don't have to look very hard to find repetition. That's the problem with limiting things to Roes or Hyurs, or whatever and what leads to instances where the same idle pose stands out because a dozen people are using it as if they were robots.

    Clearly not everyone feels the same way on emotes and poses, but I think I made it clear that the point isn't to take away uniqueness.


    It's certainly inspired by real life in a number of ways. All player characters are essentially human or have human traits, and the game attempts to capture the variety seen in people physically in the character creator. All I want is the same to go for personalty. I don't know how you design your own characters but I tend to put a little bit of me into them. In a lot of cases I play the most "normal" race in a game, but in the case of FF14 the mannerisms were so far off I've felt better represented by characters with cat ears and a tail for instance.


    You make it sound like asking for what you want is a bad thing. The forum exists partially to receive feedback and apply it to the game. What gave us Viera? Asking. What gave us more variety in outfits? Asking. What gave us more glam plates and dresser space? Asking. Where would we be without making requests? Probably a much worse iteration of FF14.


    I don't know why you want to make this political. People ask for something they want, a completely reasonable act, and then there are comments like yours that have to paint it as a conspiracy theory or something. I don't know what ideals you're talking about or who we're conforming to. I just want to enjoy my video game.


    Why is it that asking for something is conflated with demanding to have it? Where is the entitlement exactly in trying to improve something you enjoy? Why is there a limit to what we can ask for?
    I think you miss the point. Things as they are are unique. If everyone has access to something regardless of race and gender what was once unique is now no longer. If everyone has access to Roe emotes they are no longer Roe emotes. Theyre everyones. That's the point. I'd rather have more options for each race and gender that are still just for each race and gender. I like that me being a Highlander means something. I have things other races don't. And they have things I don't. N that's ok. Nothing wrong with it nor do I feel that needs to change.

    (Highlanders are rare enough as it is anyways)
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    Quote Originally Posted by PyurBlue View Post
    I propose a solution then, give everyone access to everything.
    This is an extremely tall order. They would need to go back and rework literally hundreds of gear sets from previous expansions and the cash shop, as well as hairstyles and certain character models before they could even come close to parity on features, much less think about adding everything to everyone. We're talking on the scale of in a couple expansions they might be able to have everything ready like you're proposing
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