Ungendered sit poses, please?

[Jettinson]

Here we go again, ffs I'm for more gender neutral stuff but not EVERYTHING has to be for both gender, preserve some uniqueness to each gender ffs.

Still battle poses and how you wield a weapon are nothing special and could use to be shared between all races.

Now if you mention something like how the male miqote idle as an example then yeah it should stay for that alone.

[PyurBlue]

Don't yall know by now? Many won't be satisfied til nothing is tied to a gender

Well yeah kind of like real life. What emotes in FF14 would be physically impossible to do for a given character? Surely a midlander could run like a miqote, and an aura could run like a midlander?

wanting some uniqueness

A desire for uniqueness is what's driving the demand for unlocked content. I'd rather see some variety in character mannerisms instead of everyone looking almost like robots following the same programming. Maybe my miqote is more shy than most and would benefit from more subdued animations. It would make my character different and fit the personality I came up with. How is asking for more variety anything but a request for uniqueness?

[VerdeLuck]

This definitely seems more like an "I want everything for my specific character" than wanting options for others. A lot of character types in this game have fewer option due to the way they're created or fitted, and usually there's a give and take, they might not have one thing or it might look terrible on them but they get to have something else others don't to make up for it.
It defintiely seems like people who are playing the more popular race/gender combinations are asking for more options just because they specifically want them, even though they already have the most options that are well fitted for their character.
If everyone has the exact same options it removes that give and take, certain character types just have things poorly fitted to them, have fewer options that look good, and the things that they had that were great for them, well they look as good or better on other characters. It removes the give and take of each type of character having something unique and special to that type in a way I can't get behind. Especially when changing your charcter costs real money or a couple hundred hour grind to make a new one, it feels terrible to get stranded on one that just straight up has less.

[IkaraGreydancer]

Well yeah kind of like real life. What emotes in FF14 would be physically impossible to do for a given character? Surely a midlander could run like a miqote, and an aura could run like a midlander?


A desire for uniqueness is what's driving the demand for unlocked content. I'd rather see some variety in character mannerisms instead of everyone looking almost like robots following the same programming. Maybe my miqote is more shy than most and would benefit from more subdued animations. It would make my character different and fit the personality I came up with. How is asking for more variety anything but a request for uniqueness?

It's a request to get rid of the uniqueness we already have for uniqness you personally want. Roe emotes should stay roe emotes, same for every other race. Same for genders to. Thats a big part of what makes them unique. If I want male emotes I'll play a male character.
(Also where in the current game does everyone look like robots exactly?)

This isn't real life. It's a game with visions in place from people in a whole other country n culture. Yall need to understand this. I'd love to have a female version of Snows outfit but I'm not gonna waste my time hoping or asking for it as it's a male outfit. I can accept this and move on to the 100s of other things I can wear. Maybe I'm just old school

[Caro178]

This definitely seems more like an "I want everything for my specific character" than wanting options for others. A lot of character types in this game have fewer option due to the way they're created or fitted, and usually there's a give and take, they might not have one thing or it might look terrible on them but they get to have something else others don't to make up for it.
It defintiely seems like people who are playing the more popular race/gender combinations are asking for more options just because they specifically want them, even though they already have the most options that are well fitted for their character.
If everyone has the exact same options it removes that give and take, certain character types just have things poorly fitted to them, have fewer options that look good, and the things that they had that were great for them, well they look as good or better on other characters. It removes the give and take of each type of character having something unique and special to that type in a way I can't get behind. Especially when changing your character costs real money or a couple hundred hour grind to make a new one, it feels terrible to get stranded on one that just straight up has less.

Once again, nobody here is asking for Viera stuff. This is about GENDER neutrality in 2 sit poses, not full race and gender and job neutrality in all poses, emotes, walk cycles, whatever. This isn't about taking things away from Viera or Hrothgar or any other race and it's not about full homogenization of every unique feature the game offers.

An aside, but they're done adding new races to the game so TRUST ME it's only logical they're going to flesh out the ones they have, primarily Viera and Hrothgar. Both will likely see a bigger boost in work done on them after female Hrothgar are implemented into the game. I play Viera myself, so I understand your anxiety, but nobody is trying to take anything from you, rob you of your right to individuality, etc. OP asked for two (2) sit poses.

[Nyxs]

0 days has passed without
gender obsessed ppl whining on the forum for extra workload, calling anyone who does not agree some sort of -ist

This is what ppl are like now. So not surprising. “Whaaaa everything be neutral or we cry and riot!”

People need to stop this cringe behaviour. We do not need to conform to their ideals of neutrality and including everyone for everything. People need to stop pushing it on people.

[GTK0HLK]

cut for taking word count space.

Question is, why should there be a give or take in the first place..,

there shouldnt, if something needs more time, they should understand by now, for a long, long time. that the players have patience once let known that they need it.

But then we have earless hrothgar, hatless Roths and viera. and Unlocking if certain gear/glamour.
<it isnt a ever, its a when.> they are capable of adding and improving the game.
if they need time, they should say so, or get a repeat of EW launch delay.

and it aint even like they need to outline everything.[we didnt want an outline of everything anyways, but it has to be said, cause others will twist]

It aint about Race specialty, or "Privileged" races getting more and more.
or denying your race/gender from being their gender and race.
[In fact, like other threads, more gender specific stuff is wanted.., WITHOUT THE RESTRICTIONS THAT THE OPPOSITE CANT USE THEM]

In the end, this topic doesnt offer negatives or bonuses to you. and youre better off making a thread asking for things you want.<without Malice or retaliation to others wants> specially when the way its wanted to be implemented, is to benefit the game, not hamper it.

and thats why people are so opposed to those who are against it, since we arent against what you want. we are supportive for all to have a WoL/D as they wish, and it fits well within the games current setup.

and this ain't a, one thing leads to another as you all tend to paint. its a any improvement shines a light on the rest of the broken, or chains that will get found anyways.
[it all ties together, well and truly]

but we get yours and others repeat of things that you imagine are others intentions.
[when the Improvement of one subject, leads to the higher chance of another system, another issues resolution or improvement]

which like I had mentioned back, a way to separate idle stances/change pose, which I disliked cycling through.

[VerdeLuck]

Once again, nobody here is asking for Viera stuff. This is about GENDER neutrality in 2 sit poses, not full race and gender and job neutrality in all poses, emotes, walk cycles, whatever. This isn't about taking things away from Viera or Hrothgar or any other race and it's not about full homogenization of every unique feature the game offers.

An aside, but they're done adding new races to the game so TRUST ME it's only logical they're going to flesh out the ones they have, primarily Viera and Hrothgar. Both will likely see a bigger boost in work done on them after female Hrothgar are implemented into the game. I play Viera myself, so I understand your anxiety, but nobody is trying to take anything from you, rob you of your right to individuality, etc. OP asked for two (2) sit poses.

People have been asking for race specific emotes and animations in the thread though. Not viera, but male Miqo and Roe emotes, andimations, and poses. It's not out of the question to take a look at that.
As well, the topic is on gender, which as any MMO is concerned, female characters just get more options and more care is put in when fitting gear for female characters, there's nothign that can be done about it. As things get their gender locks removed you can see much more care is taken to making it work on female characters than the reverse being fitted to male characters.
With that being said, male characters have a few glams and animations that are better, and it makes that give and take work. There's downsides but also benefits. I'm fine with the downsides as long as there's also some unique benefit. The way it is now is not bad, that's perfectly fine for there to be give and take in my opinion.

[Caro178]

This is what ppl are like now. So not surprising. “Whaaaa everything be neutral or we cry and riot!”

People need to stop this cringe behaviour. We do not need to conform to their ideals of neutrality and including everyone for everything. People need to stop pushing it on people.

On the other hand there are people like you who have come into threads just to tell someone who shared images of their male character wearing feminine clothing that their character looked "bad" and was an "eyesore". Many folks in this thread have made perfectly reasonable points about racial uniqueness and gender individuality in the game. You're not one of them, lmao.

[GTK0HLK]

People have been asking for race specific emotes and animations in the thread though. Not viera, but male Miqo and Roe emotes, andimations, and poses. It's not out of the question to take a look at that.
As well, the topic is on gender, which as any MMO is concerned, female characters just get more options and more care is put in when fitting gear for female characters, there's nothign that can be done about it. As things get their gender locks removed you can see much more care is taken to making it work on female characters than the reverse being fitted to male characters.
With that being said, male characters have a few glams and animations that are better, and it makes that give and take work. There's downsides but also benefits. I'm fine with the downsides as long as there's also some unique benefit. The way it is now is not bad, that's perfectly fine for there to be give and take in my opinion.

Just cause a few want the extreme end, doesn't mean the middle or halfway shouldn't exist. you're letting a fraction of a small fraction of forum users want to defeat an entire topic.

which is part of why the topic is a recurring in many things.

you all aren't wanting to separate the various level of suggestions or asks for the games enhancement, or improvement, or fixes.

So it leads to the back and forth.
if a certain section wants that, but you aren't against the whole idea, just say you're for the improvement of the system. but without stripping what you feel is race specific.

but what we get is passive aggressive at people who can't separate the various levels of suggestions.

some which have no reason to lock like Hempen, or reason to be held back like when or not a tier should remain locked or be unlocked.