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    Vivian Rysto
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    Quote Originally Posted by MintberriCrunch View Post
    I'd rather go back to fighting bots at the placard for hours at a time because at least my dedication eventually got me a house
    No. Don't get me started on this topic for the 10th billion time..

    Nothing guarantied you'd get a house in the old system. Your dedication didn't get you anything. It was pure random luck if you got the lucky click or not amidst 20 people doing the same as you, 18 of which were probably bots clicking faster than you and had actual higher chances than you. The only difference with lottery is that you can do literally anything else with your life other than click on a placard.

    Is the lottery system imperfect? yes. But you people need to stop pretending Placard Spamming was better because it wasn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiaDeem View Post
    No. Don't get me started on this topic for the 10th billion time..

    Nothing guarantied you'd get a house in the old system. Your dedication didn't get you anything. It was pure random luck if you got the lucky click or not amidst 20 people doing the same as you, 18 of which were probably bots clicking faster than you and had actual higher chances than you. The only difference with lottery is that you can do literally anything else with your life other than click on a placard.

    Is the lottery system imperfect? yes. But you people need to stop pretending Placard Spamming was better because it wasn't.
    Way too many people will spill salt over bad RNG against the objectively better system purely because they didn't get what they wanted. It's nothing new and best we can hope is that it will just be ignored for salt it is, and only actual problems with system will be addressed, rather than regressing back into awful placard clickfest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiaDeem View Post
    Your dedication didn't get you anything. It was pure random luck
    Yes it did, and no it wasn't. Me and all the friends I met spamming those placards got houses under that system. With that being said, we all spent waaaay too much time spamming (30+ hours collectively for me) and losing plots to transfers and bots. The old system was obviously bad, nobody in their right mind actually wants it back, I'm just saying at least there was a way to influence the outcome and that the lottery system is the laziest band-aid imaginable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MintberriCrunch View Post
    Yes it did, and no it wasn't. Me and all the friends I met spamming those placards got houses under that system. With that being said, we all spent waaaay too much time spamming (30+ hours collectively for me) and losing plots to transfers and bots. The old system was obviously bad, nobody in their right mind actually wants it back, I'm just saying at least there was a way to influence the outcome and that the lottery system is the laziest band-aid imaginable.
    Its not lazy at all, considering, in ideal system, there SHOULDNT be a way to influence the outcome. That is the only way a system for distributing limited resources can stay fair - if everyone is on completely equal footing. Yes, its true its not equal right now but the steps should be made towards it being more equal, not less.
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    I'm sorry that you didn't get a house.
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    ...Or we can stop with the damn band-aids and give it a complete revamp with instanced housing.
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    No...this new system, while it has its faults, is ENDLESSLY better than the old system. Anyone who says otherwise never had a house in the old system, I'm convinced.

    Clicking on a sign for hours only to lose to someone who came right up and bought it because they relocated and thus overwrote the timer.

    Or losing it to someone who came up at just the right second.

    Or how about logging on at 5AM on a patch day to try and RUN to your desired plot before anyone else got there.

    The fact is, without instanced housing the lottery system is absolutely the fairest method and the only thing that would make it fairer would be something dumb like "one house per account per server".

    This thread reeks of "I lost the lottery today!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by OvernightSiren View Post
    No...this new system, while it has its faults, is ENDLESSLY better than the old system. Anyone who says otherwise never had a house in the old system, I'm convinced.

    Clicking on a sign for hours only to lose to someone who came right up and bought it because they relocated and thus overwrote the timer.

    Or losing it to someone who came up at just the right second.

    Or how about logging on at 5AM on a patch day to try and RUN to your desired plot before anyone else got there.

    The fact is, without instanced housing the lottery system is absolutely the fairest method and the only thing that would make it fairer would be something dumb like "one house per account per server".

    This thread reeks of "I lost the lottery today!"
    FCFS is the most fair system actually.

    Walk up to plot, purchase and claim, end of story.

    Oh and I did have a house under the old system, had to get one multiple times due to server transfering, and I never had issues, always went for small goblet, extremely few people, and then upgraded with instant relo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormpeaks View Post
    FCFS is the most fair system actually.

    Walk up to plot, purchase and claim, end of story.
    And what about people who have lives that make them incapable of waking up at 5AM on patch day when new plots are added? They just don't get a chance at having a house?

    Contrary to your own experience, some people do have IRL lives and obligations that may prohibit them from being able to dedicate all of their time to FFXIV.
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    Player Stormpeaks's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by OvernightSiren View Post
    And what about people who have lives that make them incapable of waking up at 5AM on patch day when new plots are added? They just don't get a chance at having a house?

    Contrary to your own experience, some people do have IRL lives and obligations that may prohibit them from being able to dedicate all of their time to FFXIV.
    Exactly the problem, its never good enough for people, there's always someone that it might not work for, maybe I'll go to the bathroom when the house comes up for sale ? Oh no, anyways ! Maybe I'll be with my mom when the house comes up, or maybe at work, or maybe just out grocery shopping, does the world need to stop spinning because I'm doing something else with my life ? Does a virtual game need to be impacted by what I decide to do with my life ?
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