Paladin needs to be overhauled

[Valence]

In no way has it been disclosed that this job was designed around this function, you're just making things up at this point

You said it yourself, I quote: "this is a playstyle/tactic you wish to impose"

Again, I'm telling you that shieldbash is intended to be played that way, and it's very good for the reasons I exposed. If you want to keep dodging them and diving down on your usual ad personam, then feel free though, but without me. You're not worth my sanity.

Where are getting this notion that I don't understand how critical stun is? Even tho I'm pretty sure I said how important it is, and how exactly is it irrelevant? Or will your reply be "It just is"

I quote again: "You might hate it but it doesn't negate its validity even now you're still using it, no shit if a target with low health is running any class would pursue for the kill this isnt unique to PLD in this scenario you haven't fully thought about, what's stopping these "amazing" teammates of a vague makeup that have been pummeling the opponent to use their debuff? Is the match-up 1v4 if so why isn't the opponent dead already?"

All i've been saying is that shieldbash is a hard stun with no delay, and it makes it very good by those two facts alone. You keep deflecting on how your team sucks, but your stun doesn't need your team to use their own stuns. Your stun is doing what it is doing the best already: securing kills. If you're not happy with what a stun does, then all stuns and crowd control in pvp are equally bad or worse, and that doesn't make any sense.

[RyanCousland]

You said it yourself, I quote: "this is a playstyle/tactic you wish to impose"

Again, I'm telling you that shieldbash is intended to be played that way, and it's very good for the reasons I exposed. If you want to keep dodging them and diving down on your usual ad personam, then feel free though, but without me. You're not worth my sanity.

my apologies, when you said "that is how the job is designed to perform the best." i assumed you meant from a position of authority or dev perspective/intent because it seems we're arguing 2 different subjects youre talking about stun(the skill) im talking about PLD as a whole.

Your comment "I'm saying that if a target is dropping low and tries to run away, it's a prime target for a stun, because odds are your team is pummeling them pretty hard right now. It doesn't even need coordination, the coordination comes from YOUR end, which is identifying such targets and punishing them for overcommitting by preventing them to escape and securing kills" isnt PLD exclusive any job can have this responsibility

[Valence]

my apologies, when you said "that is how the job is designed to perform the best." i assumed you meant from a position of authority or dev perspective/intent because it seems we're arguing 2 different subjects youre talking about stun(the skill) im talking about PLD as a whole.

Your comment "I'm saying that if a target is dropping low and tries to run away, it's a prime target for a stun, because odds are your team is pummeling them pretty hard right now. It doesn't even need coordination, the coordination comes from YOUR end, which is identifying such targets and punishing them for overcommitting by preventing them to escape and securing kills" isnt PLD exclusive any job can have this responsibility

And your point about this is? Is this not true? You stun the correct targets, and watch people die and kills get secured. What's the problem about that? Does it make shieldbash crap for some reason I can't fathom?

[RyanCousland]

And your point about this is? Is this not true? You stun the correct targets, and watch people die and kills get secured. What's the problem about that? Does it make shieldbash crap for some reason I can't fathom?

at what point did i say shield bash is crap? i think you might be getting something mixed up within this thread and thereby making the accusation of me dodging points that im not refuting.

my comment isnt about the skill its about your imposition that its PLD responsibility and the inference that this job was deliberately design for that purpose, again this a case of you discussing the skill and not the class as a whole