It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[ZephyrMenodora]

Please stop hiding behind the fact this will never happen and truly answer this question. Say in a world where you had a magic wand and YoshiP said with a flick of your wrist you can add this option in the settings. Are you telling me you would say no because it would increase the amount of people that have open access to using it, but you can turn a blind eye to mods since they are not prevalent? You know if you can look past mods for various reasons, you know you can do it regarding a feature right?

Also, you greatly overestimate GM's enforcement of mods.

I hit my forum post limit so could not reply.

If there was some magic wand and this option could be added to the settings, but I had to give my approval for some reason as in the hypothetical you provided, I would say no. I say this as someone in game right now, waiting on my levelling roulette, looking at someone dressed as a lime green chicken mascot...

I am of the belief, as an older MMORPG player, that MMOs at their core are shared social experiences and you play in a shared world with other players, and not my personal sandbox that only I control and participate in. I believe character creation and expression is a core aspect of an MMORPGs. I believe people asking for this are antisocial and objectify other players. I don't believe other players in a shared experience should be able to control what MY character looks like and wears. I believe that I consent to game-approved outfits being displayed on screen at the moment I sub and continue to choose to play knowing such fashion exists in the game.

I think this whole request is petty and snowflakey. I also think this will never happen and never will in FFXIV or 99% of any MMORPG. (Again, GW2 that a certain misleading poster keeps going back to, despite this beind discussed pages ago, is a performance option, not a fashion option.)

And again, since this option is not in the game now and I doubt ever will be, I really have no reason to really care much more about this thread. The demands of a few (some who genuinely want this, others who just seem to enjoy arguing such as the "i don't care but I won't leave the thread types, and some who just like complaining about anything they can in FFXIV given the nature some posters on these boards), won't change it. The ramblings have gone on nearly 3 years now.

That said, I am pro-mod and people doing what they want behind the scenes, quietly, and never to be mentioned to me on their own client side. I don't care if PC users mod for this and I never have to hear about it or see my character changed on official forums or in game. Disagree with dev approval of this as a business model in this genre. I think it's a waste of dev resources and would hurt, not help, the bottom line of the game.

[Joven]

I am of the belief, as an older MMORPG player, that MMOs at their core are shared social experiences and you play in a shared world with other players, and not my personal sandbox that only I control and participate in. I believe character creation and expression is a core aspect of an MMORPGs.

This game is largely single player. As such it's not unreasonable for some to want a slightly more personal experience.

I believe people asking for this are antisocial and objectify other players. I don't believe other players in a shared experience should be able to control what MY character looks like and wears. I believe that I consent to game-approved outfits being displayed on screen at the moment I sub and continue to choose to play knowing such fashion exists in the game.

How is it "objectifying anyone? The fashion you subbed for will still be there and you will still be able to partake of it as much or as little as you want.

I think this whole request is petty and snowflakey.

And demanding that other people must see your glamour isn't?

I also think this will never happen and never will in FFXIV or 99% of any MMORPG. (Again, GW2 that a certain misleading poster keeps going back to, despite this beind discussed pages ago, is a performance option, not a fashion option.)

Doesn't matter it's intended purpose, only the fact it can be done.

The demands of a few

Still not a demand.

That said, I am pro-mod and people doing what they want behind the scenes, quietly, and never to be mentioned to me on their own sides.

So you're against people altering your appearance unless you don't know about it? Isn't that the whole point? You wouldn't know if someone was using this feature? You could argue that since it's official you would know, but you acknowledge mods exist and are fine with them. Double standard much?

Disagree with dev approval of this as a business model in this genre. I think it's a waste of dev resources and would hurt, not help, the bottom line of the game.

"Everything I don't like is a waste of dev resources." That's all this boils down to.

[ZephyrMenodora]

This game is largely single player. As such it's not unreasonable for some to want a slightly more personal experience.



How is it "objectifying anyone? The fashion you subbed for will still be there and you will still be able to partake of it as much or as little as you want.



And demanding that other people must see your glamour isn't?



Doesn't matter it's intended purpose, only the fact it can be done.



Still not a demand.



So you're against people altering your appearance unless you don't know about it? Isn't that the whole point? You wouldn't know if someone was using this feature? You could argue that since it's official you would know, but you acknowledge mods exist and are fine with them. Double standard much?



"Everything I don't like is a waste of dev resources." That's all this boils down to.

Done with the topic, it's moot to me as this will never be a thing in XIV. I disagree with everything you say, and will never agree with you. Nor will you with me, so really what's the point. Only came to reply that asking that people see my glamours is a demand. No, it's not. It's how MMOs throughout history have always worked. I put on an outfit, and others see it.

Unless you account for the GW PERFORMANCE option, which also consolidates several races, removes ALL armors in the game aside from a few generic options per armor weight, and also removes faces and hair. Since such an option was never needed in XIV even in the PS3 days, I have no idea why people still cling to it here. It was never a glamor option. Really tired of having to reiterate the same thing to the "But GW2" people as though it was ever designed with fashion in mind.... good day!

[Joven]

Only came to reply that asking that people see my glamours is a demand. No, it's not.

Then why are you so against the idea of someone not seeing it?

Unless you account for the GW PERFORMANCE option, which also consolidates several races, removes ALL armors in the game aside from a few generic options per armor weight, and also removes faces and hair. Since such an option was never needed in XIV even in the PS3 days, I have no idea why people still cling to it here. It was never a glamor option. Really tired of having to reiterate the same thing to the "But GW2" people as though it was ever designed with fashion in mind.... good day!

Again doesn't matter the intended use in the game it's in, only that it is a thing that is possible.

[ty_taurus]

Then why are you so against the idea of someone not seeing it?



Again doesn't matter the intended use in the game it's in, only that it is a thing that is possible.

Well I for one do not want others seeing my character in the hideous current ilvl gear I have to wear for stats. How about you have the ability to disable my glamour, but I have the ability to disable your ability to disable my glamour so if I don't want to have my character perceived in a way, I'm not forced to.

[Zsolen]

Well I for one do not want others seeing my character in the hideous current ilvl gear I have to wear for stats. How about you have the ability to disable my glamour, but I have the ability to disable your ability to disable my glamour so if I don't want to have my character perceived in a way, I'm not forced to.

That's not a solution. That defeats the whole purpose of the feature.

Edit: I looked at you character on lodestone. Some people would not like to see that type of clothing in a cutscene they are viewing for the first time.

[ty_taurus]

That's not a solution. That defeats the whole purpose of the feature.

Edit: I looked at you character on lodestone. Some people would not like to see that type of clothing in a cutscene they are viewing for the first time.

At what point does the rabbit hole end? I don't want to see Lalafells in my party because they break my immersion. I don't believe they would actually be effective in combat and it's ruining my fantasy. Can I have them replaced with Hyurs? I don't like glowing weapons. They're too bright. Can I turn off weapon particle effects? I don't like certain hairstyles like like the pompadour. Can I force everyone to be bald? DNC is a joke job and I don't think my warrior of light would be supported by a DNC. Can I make them replace their animations with BRD's?

At the end of the day, it's selfish to demand others look the way you want them to look in a game that, like it or not, is a multiplayer game.

[Bobby66]

Well I for one do not want others seeing my character in the hideous current ilvl gear I have to wear for stats. How about you have the ability to disable my glamour, but I have the ability to disable your ability to disable my glamour so if I don't want to have my character perceived in a way, I'm not forced to.

How would you know they are using it? Since you do not know how would it bother you? That is the crux of this entire thing people are saying they do not want others seeing them a certain way but you will not know outside of hyper niche situations. So why does it bother you? To me this is akin to get riled up over the possibility people are talking shit behind your back. You have no proof but you choose to let it bother because the mere possibility exists, it is 100% pure projections.

[ZephyrMenodora]

Then why are you so against the idea of someone not seeing it?



Again doesn't matter the intended use in the game it's in, only that it is a thing that is possible.

Again, for the 1000th time of having exactly the same dialogue, I'm not in favor of the devs working on an unnecessary performance option, called in GW2 "LOWEST QUALITY CHARACTER MODELS", when this wasn't even needed in the days of the PS3 being supported. Nor is "LOWEST QUALITY CHARACTER MODELS" being asked for in this thread. They want fashion-toggles that keep high fidelity models.

[Xylira]

Again, for the 1000th time of having exactly the same dialogue, I'm not in favor of the devs working on an unnecessary performance option, called in GW2 "LOWEST QUALITY CHARACTER MODELS", when this wasn't even needed in the days of the PS3 being supported. Nor is "LOWEST QUALITY CHARACTER MODELS" being asked for in this thread. They want fashion-toggles that keep high fidelity models.

It's easier just not to engage with this very loud and vocal minority of people whining over such a silly issue. They're very emotional and quick to engage in throwing out personal attacks over the issue. They're obsessed with trying to control how they see everything around them, while accusing everyone that doesn't immediately agree with them as having control issues. It's really kind of sad, they need to go touch some grass and calm down.