It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[Bobby66]

Think the point they are trying to make is some people here are acting as altering ones character without their permission is some major issue that detracts from their own personal enjoyment. Yet they are still playing and assumingly glamouring even though mods exist that alter characters without their permission.

I mean I get the stance of not wanting it because it would take time or not liking it. Though please let us ll drop this narrative that it would forcibly take away create freedom or impact the freedom others. All people have to do is what they are doing now be ignorant to the fact these things exist.

I mean let us be real how many people are like whelp better not glam since someone is probably altering how I look. Thus the reason for hypothetical before outside of dev time / mods no good counter argument has been brought up. It all boils down to I do not want it, or I want to be seen.

[ZephyrMenodora]

Think the point they are trying to make is some people here are acting as altering ones character without their permission is some major issue that detracts from their own personal enjoyment. Yet they are still playing and assumingly glamouring even though mods exist that alter characters without their permission.

I mean I get the stance of not wanting it because it would take time or not liking it. Though please let us ll drop this narrative that it would forcibly take away create freedom or impact the freedom others. All people have to do is what they are doing now be ignorant to the fact these things exist.

I mean let us be real how many people are like whelp better not glam since someone is probably altering how I look. Thus the reason for hypothetical before outside of dev time / mods no good counter argument has been brought up. It all boils down to I do not want it, or I want to be seen.

Again, mods are not supported. Nor are they discussed in game, or photos of them allowed on official forums and community channels.

Character customization and presentation has been a core aspect of MMOs since the 90s. It's why character creators exist. Why things like glamors and dyes and cosmetics are an increasingly large part of the MMO experience. Whether you are a fashionista or a hard-core raider that AFKs in town so people can inspect your leet uber-raid weapon, you are controlling your appearance to others in the shared game world.

Mods existing doesn't change that I maintain control over how my character presents in the world for the vast majority of players, and this is protected by the Devs and official rules. Modders can't send me screenshots of my character looking different, make comments in the game about how they made my character look, etc. This has been core to the social aspect of MMOs forever, and removing this feature would be a very bad move.

I don't know if people just enjoy being contrarian or antisocial, but I maintain this should never happen and probably won't, given the genre this is.

[Bobby66]

Again, mods are not supported. Nor are they discussed in game, or photos of them allowed on official forums and community channels.

Character customization and presentation has been a core aspect of MMOs since the 90s. It's why character creators exist. Why things like glamors and dyes and cosmetics are an increasingly large part of the MMO experience. Whether you are a fashionista or a hard-core raider that AFKs in town so people can inspect your leet uber-raid weapon, you are controlling your appearance to others in the shared game world.

Mods existing doesn't change that I maintain control over how my character presents in the world for the vast majority of players, and this is protected by the Devs and official rules. Modders can't send me screenshots of my character looking different, make comments in the game about how they made my character look, etc. This has been core to the social aspect of MMOs forever, and removing this feature would be a very bad move.

I don't know if people just enjoy being contrarian or antisocial, but I maintain this should never happen and probably won't, given the genre this is.

Please stop hiding behind the fact this will never happen and truly answer this question. Say in a world where you had a magic wand and YoshiP said with a flick of your wrist you can add this option in the settings. Are you telling me you would say no because it would increase the amount of people that have open access to using it, but you can turn a blind eye to mods since they are not prevalent? You know if you can look past mods for various reasons, you know you can do it regarding a feature right?

Also, you greatly overestimate GM's enforcement of mods.

[Eisi]

mods

Lalafell Remover. Make it a thing.

[Bobby66]

Lalafell Remover. Make it a thing.

It is a thing.

[Eisi]

It is a thing.

Official thing. I should not have to resort to mods to customize my experience so that I don't have to endure people's desire to "express" their ridiculous popoto race.

(btw I think Lalas are awesome and I'm just making a point. If you want to deactivate player's glam, their race and for example makeup choices should also be customizable for the same reasons.)

[Bobby66]

Official thing. I should not have to resort to mods to customize my experience so that I don't have to endure people's desire to "express" their ridiculous popoto race.

(btw I think Lalas are awesome and I'm just making a point. If you want to deactivate player's glam, their race and for example makeup choices should also be customizable for the same reasons.)

Sure does not impact me if it ia client side so go for it. Not sure what point you are trying to make that client side modification has no impact on others experience unless they let it? How would you removing lalafell from your screen impact me?

[ZephyrMenodora]

Please stop hiding behind the fact this will never happen and truly answer this question. Say in a world where you had a magic wand and YoshiP said with a flick of your wrist you can add this option in the settings. Are you telling me you would say no because it would increase the amount of people that have open access to using it, but you can turn a blind eye to mods since they are not prevalent? You know if you can look past mods for various reasons, you know you can do it regarding a feature right?

Also, you greatly overestimate GM's enforcement of mods.

I hit my forum post limit so could not reply.

If there was some magic wand and this option could be added to the settings, but I had to give my approval for some reason as in the hypothetical you provided, I would say no. I say this as someone in game right now, waiting on my levelling roulette, looking at someone dressed as a lime green chicken mascot...

I am of the belief, as an older MMORPG player, that MMOs at their core are shared social experiences and you play in a shared world with other players, and not my personal sandbox that only I control and participate in. I believe character creation and expression is a core aspect of an MMORPGs. I believe people asking for this are antisocial and objectify other players. I don't believe other players in a shared experience should be able to control what MY character looks like and wears. I believe that I consent to game-approved outfits being displayed on screen at the moment I sub and continue to choose to play knowing such fashion exists in the game.

I think this whole request is petty and snowflakey. I also think this will never happen and never will in FFXIV or 99% of any MMORPG. (Again, GW2 that a certain misleading poster keeps going back to, despite this beind discussed pages ago, is a performance option, not a fashion option.)

And again, since this option is not in the game now and I doubt ever will be, I really have no reason to really care much more about this thread. The demands of a few (some who genuinely want this, others who just seem to enjoy arguing such as the "i don't care but I won't leave the thread types, and some who just like complaining about anything they can in FFXIV given the nature some posters on these boards), won't change it. The ramblings have gone on nearly 3 years now.

That said, I am pro-mod and people doing what they want behind the scenes, quietly, and never to be mentioned to me on their own client side. I don't care if PC users mod for this and I never have to hear about it or see my character changed on official forums or in game. Disagree with dev approval of this as a business model in this genre. I think it's a waste of dev resources and would hurt, not help, the bottom line of the game.

[Joven]

I am of the belief, as an older MMORPG player, that MMOs at their core are shared social experiences and you play in a shared world with other players, and not my personal sandbox that only I control and participate in. I believe character creation and expression is a core aspect of an MMORPGs.

This game is largely single player. As such it's not unreasonable for some to want a slightly more personal experience.

I believe people asking for this are antisocial and objectify other players. I don't believe other players in a shared experience should be able to control what MY character looks like and wears. I believe that I consent to game-approved outfits being displayed on screen at the moment I sub and continue to choose to play knowing such fashion exists in the game.

How is it "objectifying anyone? The fashion you subbed for will still be there and you will still be able to partake of it as much or as little as you want.

I think this whole request is petty and snowflakey.

And demanding that other people must see your glamour isn't?

I also think this will never happen and never will in FFXIV or 99% of any MMORPG. (Again, GW2 that a certain misleading poster keeps going back to, despite this beind discussed pages ago, is a performance option, not a fashion option.)

Doesn't matter it's intended purpose, only the fact it can be done.

The demands of a few

Still not a demand.

That said, I am pro-mod and people doing what they want behind the scenes, quietly, and never to be mentioned to me on their own sides.

So you're against people altering your appearance unless you don't know about it? Isn't that the whole point? You wouldn't know if someone was using this feature? You could argue that since it's official you would know, but you acknowledge mods exist and are fine with them. Double standard much?

Disagree with dev approval of this as a business model in this genre. I think it's a waste of dev resources and would hurt, not help, the bottom line of the game.

"Everything I don't like is a waste of dev resources." That's all this boils down to.

[ZephyrMenodora]

This game is largely single player. As such it's not unreasonable for some to want a slightly more personal experience.



How is it "objectifying anyone? The fashion you subbed for will still be there and you will still be able to partake of it as much or as little as you want.



And demanding that other people must see your glamour isn't?



Doesn't matter it's intended purpose, only the fact it can be done.



Still not a demand.



So you're against people altering your appearance unless you don't know about it? Isn't that the whole point? You wouldn't know if someone was using this feature? You could argue that since it's official you would know, but you acknowledge mods exist and are fine with them. Double standard much?



"Everything I don't like is a waste of dev resources." That's all this boils down to.

Done with the topic, it's moot to me as this will never be a thing in XIV. I disagree with everything you say, and will never agree with you. Nor will you with me, so really what's the point. Only came to reply that asking that people see my glamours is a demand. No, it's not. It's how MMOs throughout history have always worked. I put on an outfit, and others see it.

Unless you account for the GW PERFORMANCE option, which also consolidates several races, removes ALL armors in the game aside from a few generic options per armor weight, and also removes faces and hair. Since such an option was never needed in XIV even in the PS3 days, I have no idea why people still cling to it here. It was never a glamor option. Really tired of having to reiterate the same thing to the "But GW2" people as though it was ever designed with fashion in mind.... good day!