Review of 6.3 Story Content

[SannaR]

the fuck happened the last couple pages holy shit

Nothing. Someone got their pantyhose all in a twist cause they didn't feel the Fiends got enough screen time. Then yelled at people for bringing up FF IV when they didn't bring it up. While completely missing the point that it's kind of weird to get all huffy about that when they didn't get much in the game they're a reference to. And putting way more stock into Edda than one probably should have in how memorable she was.

[SannaR]

I kept telling myself I wouldn't reply in this thread so it would perhaps finally die, but: Shadowbringers was just the plot of Rise of the Zilart and Chains of Promathia slammed together, you cannot change my mind.

...that's not a bad thing, btw, I loved both of those expansions lol. CoP is my absolute fave out of XI anyway.

Oh so I'm your Renault. Sorry about that. You lasted longer than I did. And yeah with how we got the tale in ShB it felt as though some of the devs had just done a speed run of RotZ and CoP. As I went man this all feels like what happened in XI.

[SannaR]

I think the Four Fiends are decently written. Like, what we see of their past in the side quest is really good and lets us get an idea of their motives and what life was like during the Contramemoria (Its just a sin that all that is hidden in a side quest and not incorporated into the MSQ itself.) The writers just decided that they where not going to be long-term characters in whatever they have lined up. It sucks when that happens to characters you like (I still miss you Moenbryda...) but it happens. I wonder if the complaints about the Four Fiends would be the same if they where unique FFXIV creations, or if some are putting them on pedestals just because of their legacy.

I feel that if their back stories were part of the MSQ we'd have more people complaining about the pace these last two patches. Along with how much more filler they'd both feel like. This is the XIV community when hasn't it put things on absurdly high pedestals only to get grouchy when something doesn't meet their expectations.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

I feel that if their back stories were part of the MSQ we'd have more people complaining about the pace these last two patches. Along with how much more filler they'd both feel like. This is the XIV community when hasn't it put things on absurdly high pedestals only to get grouchy when something doesn't meet their expectations.

That's why I just approach everything as it's own stand-alone thing, even if it's from another game. "oh neat, they added this" is about all I go into it.





Remember the outrage when fenrir was "just a dungeon boss"? People expected it to be some huge summon/major boss thing because of XI.....

[Plasma711]

That's why I just approach everything as it's own stand-alone thing, even if it's from another game. "oh neat, they added this" is about all I go into it.





Remember the outrage when fenrir was "just a dungeon boss"? People expected it to be some huge summon/major boss thing because of XI.....

This is how I go about it. I'm just glad we get to see these characters in different views in this game. IV and VIII are my top two FF's. Being able to see the Fiends and Eden in whatever capacity they're added in, is good enough for me.

[rainichan]

Oh so I'm your Renault. Sorry about that. You lasted longer than I did. And yeah with how we got the tale in ShB it felt as though some of the devs had just done a speed run of RotZ and CoP. As I went man this all feels like what happened in XI.

HAH, I do like Renalt but his posts have summed up my feelings about this entire thread so I haven't felt the need to comment.... until now. This is really the only thing worth commenting on since I refuse to give the OP the time of day.

Word for word when I saw the Tempest and they had been talking about the ancients and Zodiark and Hydaelyn being the oldest and most ancient of primals earlier was "so I'm playing FFXI RotZ/CoP, just in XIV?" and my friends (who also played XI) went ".....holy s[kupo]t you're right." It's not a bad thing, those were fun xpacs! The only thing we're truly missing is that the main spoken races are just aspects of what amounts to the 7 Deadly Sins and we'd really be just Vana'diel Lite.

[Atelier-Bagur]

You're not supposed to tell others that the series loves to get it's kicks by taking it's self out on a date and then go back to its place to do the horizontal foxtrot. I had a person say I was crazy for wanting to know the difference between why some things when they die just turn into aether dust. You know the stuff you see all over the Delta Quadrant in Azys La and how some people like Yasale, Elidibus, Haurchefant ect get the Farplane sperm thingies.

For me up to ShB Hydelean and Zodiark felt like they were going beat for beat of the Altana Vs Promethean storyline from XI. Heck both MMOs have the players beat up Hades at the end of one of their expansions. And yes the it has to be all one way or the other is one of my gripes with the community as well. Especially when it comes to liking or disliking something. You say you like something and somehow that must mean you don't have any minor faults with it. Or that you have to be a shill.

I think there's probably more people who remember and care about Delores Bear and his ill fated party than Edda herself. There were even people who had forgotten who G'Raha was when starting ShB due to how long ago they had done the CT raid.

Wasnt saying that. Just that people complaining that the we defeated all of the fiends within these patches while I can understand wishing a bit more from them (me included), its also a bad thing to drag them out for longer than necessary. I reserve my full judgement till 7.0 comes and then I can see how I ultimately feel how post-EW was handled. So far I think its just ok, interesting but just curious whats it building up to.

[Renathras]

Again, OP:

Without looking it up, can you tell me right now what happened in 2.3?

3.3?

4.3?

MAYbe you can tell me what happened in 5.3 (because it was unusually significant), but what about 5.2 and 5.4?

Yes, "filler" happens from time to time. Not everything is or was filler, and some exposition isn't bad for the slow kids in class or new players that haven't been absorbing all this lore and information for nearly a decade. Not to mention there has been new lore revealed, though you probably missed it by having your angry-goggles on as you did the MSQ. Namely, some hints at who Golbez might be and what he may have done to get there. And we also got to see the 13th - the actual world, not little sections of it - for the first time. Which is a pretty big lore reveal.

Opinions are opinions, but seriously, not every patch is a 5.3. I'd be interested in hearing you answer - without looking them up - what happened in those other patches and how they were all better than this one.

What we're dealing with now is what post ARR is to everyone now. "The unbeatable slog that no one can wither the storm" Granted I think this is 100x better than post ARR. But thats the point, we ended a 10 year saga. Everything now is going to be set up for the next 10 year saga. If you dont like it right now, thats fine. But at the same time, I'm not entirely sure what people expected, especially with 6.3 given what the .3 patches have been like in the past full knowing EW concluded in full with 6.0. I could wager everything we have had from 6.1 until now will fit and make much more sense when the real stuff starts rolling, just like it did when we entered Heavensward. But thats just me.

No, it's not just you. I think most reasonable people agree and see it as such.

A voidgate WILL NOT go to the First.

I don't disagree with you overall except for this. As we learned in the Caster ShB Role Quests, Void Gates can, in fact, be made between the First and the Thirteenth, and travel between the Source and First or First and Source is possible, just...risky. Though it's also worked all three of the times we did it and the one time it was done to us (and arguably somewhat worked the five times it was done to our allies as it was TRYING to be done to us). Beq Lugg is a loveable worrywart. Yes, it could be dangerous, but people are sometimes willing to do dangerous things, and we know direct travel from the 13th to the 1st is entirely possible and featured pretty heavily in the Caster ShB Role Quest series.

Buddy I'm literally criticizing the story as it is now, and it is bland.

What you seem to be missing is that's the problem. Imagine just watching the Tatooine scenes of Star Wars: A New Hope/Episode 4 and then complaining that it's a boring trilogy just about an annoying kid on a desert planet. You don't judge a story arc by looking at only a section of it. I mean, you CAN, but generally speaking it's a bad idea. You have to judge it as a whole and as it fits in the greater series/universe in which it's set.

[MagiusNecros]

If we are not getting a new version of Zeromus' theme, I'm gonna be majorly dissapointed.

The GBA version is still the best one and let's be honest if we get a Zeromus fight there is no way they aren't giving us a arrangement of it. Given it's all that have to give us before 7.0 happens.

We pretty much have Golbez/Azdaja, maybe fight the 4 Archfiends again and most definitely Zeromus. If they want to go a bit further on fanservice they can throw in the Creator from FF4:The After Years.

[VelKallor]

I don't disagree with you overall except for this. As we learned in the Caster ShB Role Quests, Void Gates can, in fact, be made between the First and the Thirteenth, and travel between the Source and First or First and Source is possible, just...risky. Though it's also worked all three of the times we did it and the one time it was done to us (and arguably somewhat worked the five times it was done to our allies as it was TRYING to be done to us). Beq Lugg is a loveable worrywart. Yes, it could be dangerous, but people are sometimes willing to do dangerous things, and we know direct travel from the 13th to the 1st is entirely possible and featured pretty heavily in the Caster ShB Role Quest series.

Hmmmm ......we did it once via the Exarch, we use the Tower gate opened by the Exarch as our method of travel, the other five got summoned the same way at the cost of ripping their souls from their bodies The 13th to the First yes, the ONLY person that can travel freely between the First and the Source is us..even the Exarch cant get back. The 13th yes..but to the Source? Hell even Unakalhai had to ask us to use a damned crystal to get him there.

I mean I get your drift, but the Exarch himself said that that barrier had yet to be breached, and that his summons of us to the First was a case of "hit and miss". Feo Ul for all her power, is able to communicate only via dreams...so yeah, that has to be coming..a way to go from the Source to the First. Even she cant penetrate that barrier.

My fondest wish is to have seen what happened when Alisaie materialised..Id love to have been a fly on the wall when she told him just HOW displeased she was....