Review of 6.3 Story Content

[Renathras]

Again, OP:

Without looking it up, can you tell me right now what happened in 2.3?

3.3?

4.3?

MAYbe you can tell me what happened in 5.3 (because it was unusually significant), but what about 5.2 and 5.4?

Yes, "filler" happens from time to time. Not everything is or was filler, and some exposition isn't bad for the slow kids in class or new players that haven't been absorbing all this lore and information for nearly a decade. Not to mention there has been new lore revealed, though you probably missed it by having your angry-goggles on as you did the MSQ. Namely, some hints at who Golbez might be and what he may have done to get there. And we also got to see the 13th - the actual world, not little sections of it - for the first time. Which is a pretty big lore reveal.

Opinions are opinions, but seriously, not every patch is a 5.3. I'd be interested in hearing you answer - without looking them up - what happened in those other patches and how they were all better than this one.

What we're dealing with now is what post ARR is to everyone now. "The unbeatable slog that no one can wither the storm" Granted I think this is 100x better than post ARR. But thats the point, we ended a 10 year saga. Everything now is going to be set up for the next 10 year saga. If you dont like it right now, thats fine. But at the same time, I'm not entirely sure what people expected, especially with 6.3 given what the .3 patches have been like in the past full knowing EW concluded in full with 6.0. I could wager everything we have had from 6.1 until now will fit and make much more sense when the real stuff starts rolling, just like it did when we entered Heavensward. But thats just me.

No, it's not just you. I think most reasonable people agree and see it as such.

A voidgate WILL NOT go to the First.

I don't disagree with you overall except for this. As we learned in the Caster ShB Role Quests, Void Gates can, in fact, be made between the First and the Thirteenth, and travel between the Source and First or First and Source is possible, just...risky. Though it's also worked all three of the times we did it and the one time it was done to us (and arguably somewhat worked the five times it was done to our allies as it was TRYING to be done to us). Beq Lugg is a loveable worrywart. Yes, it could be dangerous, but people are sometimes willing to do dangerous things, and we know direct travel from the 13th to the 1st is entirely possible and featured pretty heavily in the Caster ShB Role Quest series.

Buddy I'm literally criticizing the story as it is now, and it is bland.

What you seem to be missing is that's the problem. Imagine just watching the Tatooine scenes of Star Wars: A New Hope/Episode 4 and then complaining that it's a boring trilogy just about an annoying kid on a desert planet. You don't judge a story arc by looking at only a section of it. I mean, you CAN, but generally speaking it's a bad idea. You have to judge it as a whole and as it fits in the greater series/universe in which it's set.

[VelKallor]

I don't disagree with you overall except for this. As we learned in the Caster ShB Role Quests, Void Gates can, in fact, be made between the First and the Thirteenth, and travel between the Source and First or First and Source is possible, just...risky. Though it's also worked all three of the times we did it and the one time it was done to us (and arguably somewhat worked the five times it was done to our allies as it was TRYING to be done to us). Beq Lugg is a loveable worrywart. Yes, it could be dangerous, but people are sometimes willing to do dangerous things, and we know direct travel from the 13th to the 1st is entirely possible and featured pretty heavily in the Caster ShB Role Quest series.

Hmmmm ......we did it once via the Exarch, we use the Tower gate opened by the Exarch as our method of travel, the other five got summoned the same way at the cost of ripping their souls from their bodies The 13th to the First yes, the ONLY person that can travel freely between the First and the Source is us..even the Exarch cant get back. The 13th yes..but to the Source? Hell even Unakalhai had to ask us to use a damned crystal to get him there.

I mean I get your drift, but the Exarch himself said that that barrier had yet to be breached, and that his summons of us to the First was a case of "hit and miss". Feo Ul for all her power, is able to communicate only via dreams...so yeah, that has to be coming..a way to go from the Source to the First. Even she cant penetrate that barrier.

My fondest wish is to have seen what happened when Alisaie materialised..Id love to have been a fly on the wall when she told him just HOW displeased she was....

[Renathras]

2.3 was the start of the crystal braves which led to the red banquet. 3.3 was the final end to the dragonsong War and the ending of heavensward before it swapped to building up for stormblood. 4.3 was the end of yotsuyu's tragic tale and the final loose end in the liberation of othard, and the start of the build up for shadowbringers. 5.3 was the final fight against the last unsundered ascian and the final transportation of the scions souls back to their bodies on the source and the beginning of the build up for endwalker. All very major patches setting up the next expansion with an epic climactic clash against a significant expansion boss usually involved with the 2.0 3.0 4.0 5.0 story.

Which of those did you not look up?

Also, 5.2 and 5.4?

Also...are you OP's alt?

Hmmmm ......we did it once via the Exarch, we use the Tower gate opened by the Exarch as our method of travel, the other five got summoned the same way at the cost of ripping their souls from their bodies The 13th to the First yes, the ONLY person that can travel freely between the First and the Source is us..even the Exarch cant get back. The 13th yes..but to the Source? Hell even Unakalhai had to ask us to use a damned crystal to get him there.[/IMG]

The times we did it:

1) Returning the Scion's souls.
2) Returning G'Raha's soul (his was kind of different).
3) Bringing Unu to the First.

The time it was done to us:

1) Attuning to that watch thingy and bringing the WoL to the First (this also opened up a stable path through the semi-linked Aetherial Seas, but only for us since we existed in both in body as well as soul)

Portals to the Thirteenth: (Sorry I've forgotten their names)

1) When the boy (forget his name) was training with Ardbert's mage friend (as a boy) and they opened a rift successfully that sucked him in.
2) When the Sin Eater that was said mage friend was opening rifts of various sizes left and right trying to open one to save his friend.
3) When WE successfully rescue said friend through one.

Clearly, the Voidgates so opened allowed travel of people

Moreover, for all we know, what may be about to happen is just such a breach. That seems to be Golbez desire, anyway. And if you haven't talked to Cylia or Unu since 6.1, you should. They have a bit of commentary on the subject. I'm not certain if they were Memorates, but Cylia knows of them, and we know Unu has the Echo and was a Warrior of Light (albeit, a child one with little experience and power, too young to make much of a difference) as well. And we know what having the Echo means in general and being a Warrior of Light has some significance.

[ReynTime]

Again, OP:

Without looking it up, can you tell me right now what happened in 2.3?

3.3?

4.3?

MAYbe you can tell me what happened in 5.3 (because it was unusually significant), but what about 5.2 and 5.4?

You have to be joking. Those are all substantial patches story wise. Specially 3.3 and 4.3. And the accusation that the other user "Looked it up" is pathetic. It's really not that rare for people to remember the key story points in those patches.

[Talonk]

Which of those did you not look up?

Also, 5.2 and 5.4?

Also...are you OP's alt?



The times we did it:

1) Returning the Scion's souls.
2) Returning G'Raha's soul (his was kind of different).
3) Bringing Unu to the First.

The time it was done to us:

1) Attuning to that watch thingy and bringing the WoL to the First (this also opened up a stable path through the semi-linked Aetherial Seas, but only for us since we existed in both in body as well as soul)

Portals to the Thirteenth: (Sorry I've forgotten their names)

1) When the boy (forget his name) was training with Ardbert's mage friend (as a boy) and they opened a rift successfully that sucked him in.
2) When the Sin Eater that was said mage friend was opening rifts of various sizes left and right trying to open one to save his friend.
3) When WE successfully rescue said friend through one.

Clearly, the Voidgates so opened allowed travel of people

Moreover, for all we know, what may be about to happen is just such a breach. That seems to be Golbez desire, anyway. And if you haven't talked to Cylia or Unu since 6.1, you should. They have a bit of commentary on the subject. I'm not certain if they were Memorates, but Cylia knows of them, and we know Unu has the Echo and was a Warrior of Light (albeit, a child one with little experience and power, too young to make much of a difference) as well. And we know what having the Echo means in general and being a Warrior of Light has some significance.

I didn't look any of them up. You have to be completely disjointed from the story to not know what an x.3 patch has been in the past. They are big finale patches except 2.3 which is more out of the norm for just being a build up and not a finale. Not the ops alt but just proving a point that the patch cycle has been well structured and we are in a giant filler phase.

[Renathras]

I didn't look any of them up. You have to be completely disjointed from the story to not know what an x.3 patch has been in the past. They are big finale patches except 2.3 which is more out of the norm for just being a build up and not a finale. Not the ops alt but just proving a point that the patch cycle has been well structured and we are in a giant filler phase.

2.3 means we have precedence for this - the Crystal Braves stuff, while important to the future story (just like, I dunno, blocking the Scions from returning to the Void so that Golbez can do something he needs a little more time to do might be...) was not some climactic event or major lore reveal. It was also the last time we were moving from one story arc (Bahamut/Calamity/Ultima weapon, started in 1.X) into a new story arc. Which is...the same thing we're doing now with 6.1-6.5 with 6.0 ending the Hydaelyn/Zodiark saga and starting a new story arc.

I'm also still waiting for some to say what happened in 5.2 or 5.4 without looking it up. Or as Midareyukki points out, any X.1 or X.4 patch.

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What I was SPECIFICALLY referring to was OP saying that this patch was filler and was the worst patch in the game's history in terms of story. I was kind of curios of he would back that up when asked about past patches, or if he even knew what story was added in all the past patches - something you'd need to know before definitively saying this was the worst of ALL patches.

Given he hasn't answered me, either he didn't see either of my posts (possible) or he didn't know what happened in other patches (also possible, and somewhat likely), meaning my rebuttal to his point probably stands: One cannot say this is the worst patch ever if one does not even know what the other patches all were to know this one was definitively worse than all of them.

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You have to be joking. Those are all substantial patches story wise. Specially 3.3 and 4.3. And the accusation that the other user "Looked it up" is pathetic. It's really not that rare for people to remember the key story points in those patches.

It wasn't an accusation, it was a question.

And what was significant story wise in 2.3? And do you not think the events in 6.3 are significant to the future story? Why do you think that? And do you know what happened, without looking it up, in 5.2 and 5.4? Or all the other X.1 or X.4 patches? X.5 patches are pretty easy since they all tend to be pretty significant and memorable bridges.

Yes, the little Lala made a dumb point. Yes, the little Lala's accusation was pathetic. But please, leave him alone, he just ran head first into a wall and clearly didn't know any better. He's probably very fresh and feels like a pimp.

I'm sorry, I'm a helmless, freespirited Dwarf. I don't speak Troll.

[Talonk]

2.3 means we have precedence for this - the Crystal Braves stuff, while important to the future story (just like, I dunno, blocking the Scions from returning to the Void so that Golbez can do something he needs a little more time to do might be...) was not some climactic event or major lore reveal. It was also the last time we were moving from one story arc (Bahamut/Calamity/Ultima weapon, started in 1.X) into a new story arc. Which is...the same thing we're doing now with 6.1-6.5 with 6.0 ending the Hydaelyn/Zodiark saga and starting a new story arc.

I'm also still waiting for some to say what happened in 5.2 or 5.4 without looking it up. Or as Midareyukki points out, any X.1 or X.4 patch.

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What I was SPECIFICALLY referring to was OP saying that this patch was filler and was the worst patch in the game's history in terms of story. I was kind of curios of he would back that up when asked about past patches, or if he even knew what story was added in all the past patches - something you'd need to know before definitively saying this was the worst of ALL patches.

Given he hasn't answered me, either he didn't see either of my posts (possible) or he didn't know what happened in other patches (also possible, and somewhat likely), meaning my rebuttal to his point probably stands: One cannot say this is the worst patch ever if one does not even know what the other patches all were to know this one was definitively worse than all of them.

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It wasn't an accusation, it was a question.

And what was significant story wise in 2.3? And do you not think the events in 6.3 are significant to the future story? Why do you think that? And do you know what happened, without looking it up, in 5.2 and 5.4? Or all the other X.1 or X.4 patches? X.5 patches are pretty easy since they all tend to be pretty significant and memorable bridges.



I'm sorry, I'm a helmless, freespirited Dwarf. I don't speak Troll.

Considering the entirety of this expansion ended technically at 6.0 the build up is super super slow. This patch does feel very underwhelming compared to the other x.3 patches. And I understand why people feel that its not up to snuff because of it. Its different than what we are used to. We aren't getting sidequest trials anymore. This is the main story. Nothing of this is a side quest. But it feels like one to alot of us. I'm hoping it builds up. I want it to be explosive.

[Jojoya]

Considering the entirety of this expansion ended technically at 6.0 the build up is super super slow. This patch does feel very underwhelming compared to the other x.3 patches. And I understand why people feel that its not up to snuff because of it. Its different than what we are used to. We aren't getting sidequest trials anymore. This is the main story. Nothing of this is a side quest. But it feels like one to alot of us. I'm hoping it builds up. I want it to be explosive.

This is supposed to be the wind down and relax after saving the Source and Reflections period. It's not supposed to be explosive.

I think people missed where YoshiP talked about using shorter story arcs for the MSQ for a while. They're intended to be shorter so there's not going to be the massive build up that the Hydaelyn/Zodiark arc had.

I also wouldn't be surprised if the "major event" promised to happen in 6.55 has nothing to do with the current story arc at all.

Personally, I'd recommend relaxing and just enjoying the MSQ ride while it's set to Adventurer mode instead of World Savior mode. If anything is going to be exploding, it will be Pandemonium. The end of Abyssos did leave us with a big "wtf just happened?" that we need explained.

[Alleo]

I didn't look any of them up. You have to be completely disjointed from the story to not know what an x.3 patch has been in the past. They are big finale patches except 2.3 which is more out of the norm for just being a build up and not a finale. Not the ops alt but just proving a point that the patch cycle has been well structured and we are in a giant filler phase.

Well unlike other expansions which used their patches as a way to end the story of that expansion, Endwalker was done with 6.0. Now the patches are there to work towards 7.0. Of course it would feel different thanks to that. On top of that the first huge plot is finally resolved.

Did you guys really think that they would get us to the next story in a blink of the eye?

I love that they take their time for this but I am also one that enjoys smaller adventures too.

Also why would this be filler? We have absolutely no idea how the stuff that is happening right now will affect the world and thus 7.0. And even if it was completely self contained, I am sad that smaller complete adventures seems to count as filler..even when it builds the world the characters live in even more.

[Deveryn]

Well unlike other expansions which used their patches as a way to end the story of that expansion, Endwalker was done with 6.0. Now the patches are there to work towards 7.0. Of course it would feel different thanks to that. On top of that the first huge plot is finally resolved.

Did you guys really think that they would get us to the next story in a blink of the eye?

I love that they take their time for this but I am also one that enjoys smaller adventures too.

Also why would this be filler? We have absolutely no idea how the stuff that is happening right now will affect the world and thus 7.0. And even if it was completely self contained, I am sad that smaller complete adventures seems to count as filler..even when it builds the world the characters live in even more.

This. ^

They told us we would have the main conclusion to the H/Z saga with 6.0. Now we're in an epilogue and 7.0 sounds like it will be a proper new beginning. The 13th has been a loose end that's needed tying up for some time now and they made it clear in Shadowbringers that it would be a destination.