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  1. #2991
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    Xylira Mierqid
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joven View Post
    It's not invalidating anything. People regularly don't care about or use glamours. Does that invalidate the system? No.
    FFXIV is an MMORPG, which a large part of the point of an MMORPG is the social aspects. The glamour system adds value to the social aspect of the game by giving players ways to better express themselves through their characters. SE is very aware of this, it's the whole reason why Adventure plates and Instant Portraits were even added to the game, as they're yet another way for players to express themselves and better leverage the social aspect of the game.

    Quote Originally Posted by Joven View Post
    But you always have the option to participate or not. Unsync-ing is a thing. I've gotten several mounts and minions from unsync-ed Savage. Don't care for doing it sync-ed
    You have the option to not get upset about something unimportant, or to just play something different that better caters to your delicate sensibilities and narrow definition of 'appropriate aesthetics'.

    Quote Originally Posted by Joven View Post
    While that would be fine it is kind of a petty thing to have to know if someone is using the option or not. The whole purpose is so that you don't know who is using it. Does the fact that you can't be the center of attention bother you that much?
    Nice ad hominem thrown in there. I honestly really just kind of feel bad for you that other players choosing how their characters look is so distressing. Maybe MMORPGs aren't your thing.
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  2. #2992
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    Jasmine Clayworth
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mimilu View Post
    Because your censoring people, not their words or action but them. Sanitizing them.
    It's not though as it's only on the one person's screen. Why do you feel like you get to dictate what others see on their own screen?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joven View Post
    Which is why the suggestion is to put everyone in at-level tome gear.
    I would at least like to have an option to choose from a set of available IMMERSIVE, CLEAN, SAFE AND FAMILY FRIENDLY gear sets that are approved by the official '' I am offended by 2B leggings, bikinis, frogs and hrothgars in dresses '' sanitation bureau.
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  4. #2994
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joven View Post
    It's not though as it's only on the one person's screen. Why do you feel like you get to dictate what others see on their own screen?
    I'm not, SE is and this is their game after all.
    If you don't like the visuals SE are presenting, you know what M-letter word I'm going to suggest to you. (✿´ ꒳ ` )
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    Last edited by Mimilu; 01-19-2023 at 04:59 AM.

  5. #2995
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xylira View Post
    As to how it hurts me? It doesn't specifically hurt me, but it does detract the enjoyment of making glamours knowing that other players might not see it. And yeah, this is literally just an issue of people's preferences. I prefer my characters be seen a certain way by other players, you prefer not to see other player's characters the way they wish to be seen. The difference is that this is an MMORPG, and part of an MMORPG is the social aspect of it. How we choose to present our characters is part of the social aspect of it, which SE very obviously is aware of and supports for the fact that the glamour system exists to begin with. Furthermore, the adventure plate and instant portraits are yet again another affirmation that how we as players choose to convey our characters to other players has an inherent value to it.



    Good for you, I'm glad you're living your best life. Probably not the smartest idea to openly insinuate to modding the client on the official forums though.
    As I mentioned though this would be 100% an optional feature so in theory based off your perception you can simply choose to live in a world where you feel as if no one is using the feature. Sort of how I assume you do know knowing full well mods exist that can already alter your character. Only difference is the availability of it. Just like people say I could just choose to ignore it in practice that can be said. You can choose to ignore the fact it exists and pretend no one uses it.

    Not good at conveying it but I hope you understand what I am saying. Overall for the said against this feature not much in practice changes for you if unless you choose to believe people running around are using it so to speak.

    If SE wanted to ban me they could just throw a dart and a board and find something, if it happens it happens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellsong View Post
    Okay boomer.

  6. #2996
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    I don't see why this would be a problem. They get what they want...for whatever reason that may be and it wouldn't effect the rest of us in any way, shape, or form.

    I say let them have that ability.
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  7. #2997
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renalt View Post
    I don't see why this would be a problem. They get what they want...for whatever reason that may be and it wouldn't effect the rest of us in any way, shape, or form.

    I say let them have that ability.
    Thing is people are saying at the core the mere idea of someone not seeing their fashion choices infringes of their own personal enjoyment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellsong View Post
    Okay boomer.

  8. #2998
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobby66 View Post
    As I mentioned though this would be 100% an optional feature so in theory based off your perception you can simply choose to live in a world where you feel as if no one is using the feature. Sort of how I assume you do know knowing full well mods exist that can already alter your character. Only difference is the availability of it. Just like people say I could just choose to ignore it in practice that can be said. You can choose to ignore the fact it exists and pretend no one uses it.

    Not good at conveying it but I hope you understand what I am saying. Overall for the said against this feature not much in practice changes for you if unless you choose to believe people running around are using it so to speak.
    Sorry, but I'd still rather SE not waste development time adding a feature that detracts from the social aspect of the game. I wouldn't throw a fit if they added it, but I just don't see it being more positive than negative overall. Glamours exist for a reason, and if it was meant for only you to see your own glamours, then that's how SE would have implemented the system from the get go. You're also assuming that adding such a feature would even be a simple implementation. With how notoriously spaghetti coded the game is, it's likely not nearly as simple as you're assuming and could likely entail a massive amount of time to get working. Just look at the mess the instant portrait system has been with just getting it to work properly with glamours changing even slightly, and that's building something additional into the game, not modifying a fundamental system that's been baked in and referenced by several other aspects of the game at this point.

    Small indie company, please understand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobby66 View Post
    Thing is people are saying at the core the mere idea of someone not seeing their fashion choices infringes of their own personal enjoyment.
    Well they need to treat the fact they are blocking other people's glamour much like using 3rd party tools. Just don't say anything and no one will be the offended.
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    When you deal with human beings, never count on logic or consistency.

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    They could just allow people to mod other players' glams away. Then there would be no need to cobble together their own feature.
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