It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[VerdeLuck]

But it is dictating what others are wearing on your screen, thus allowing you censor certain people you find "gaudy", "fetishized", "sexual", and "immersion-breaking". ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Why is it a bad thing to let people decide if they want to consent to being a part of what very well may be a kink or fetish for another player?

[Tehmon]

I don't really understand this, people would still be walking around with '' immersion breaking/bad '' outfits even if you turned glamours off.

[Xylira]

It's not disabling your glamour. You can still glamour however you want, just certain people won't see it. Only the person who has the toggle on will be affected, not you or anyone else.

Semantics. It's not technically disabling my glamour in its entirety, but it would effectively be invalidating the purpose of the glamour system by giving players the option to circumvent it. Ergo, in the spirit of the intent of the glamour system, it's effectively disabling it.

The difference being that you can actively avoid Savage or Ultimate content by just not selecting it, however, you can't avoid people wearing gaudy, obnoxious glamours.

But I can't avoid that other players can get higher ilevel items, or cosmetics, mounts, etc, from said content that I won't have the opportunity to obtain. Still impacts me, but I choose not to get upset up about it.

Modding is against the ToS. It's not moot to point out that people are already actively changing your appearance without your knowledge and it having no effect on your play. you're aware of this yet not crying fowl.

So are you arguing for or against modding? Because on the one hand you're saying it's not a valid solution for you because it's against the ToS, while simultaneously trying to discredit my position by saying modding exists and some people do it. I said I dislike that people are doing it, and ideally I would prefer if they didn't. They're choosing to break the ToS by engaging in client modding, and running the risk of having their account actioned for it.

You know, I'd consider accepting people having the choice to disable seeing other people's glamours, if they also added the option for everyone else to display people who had that option turned on to appear as an amorphous grey blob.

[Bobby66]

Okay, good for them. It doesn't bother me if people care or not. Doesn't change that I still want to choose how my characters look for both myself and to other players, and the option to disable other people's glamours invalidates my choice for how I want to present my characters. I'm not fond of some of the more ridiculous glamours some people come up with, but I'm not so thin skinned about it that I'm unable to accept that it's just part of the game and look past it. In the grand scheme, it's really not that big of a deal and doesn't upset me if someone wants to dress up their Roe in nothing but a chocobo mask and thong, for example. If anything, seeing someone wearing an over the top ridiculous glam just gives me some insight about the player behind the character and whether or not I'd want to interact with them.



I don't do Savage or Ultimate content, but the difference is that I don't whine and moan about it existing because it doesn't personally cater to my personal preferences. I fully accept that it's not something I enjoy spending my time doing in game, and I instead focus on the things in game that I do enjoy. Just the same, not everyone's personal glam is going to be my cup of tea, but I'm not going to whine about it if they choose to make their character look ridiculous.



If you're going to pull out the 'but client mods' argument, then let me instead ask why haven't you just modded your client to swap out ridiculous items with bland items? If you consider it a valid solution and the issue really bothers you so much, then there you go that's your solution. And no, I'm not advocating for breaking the ToS, just pointing out how moot your argument is.

But for the record, I dislike that other players can and do use clothing swap mods which can break the aesthetic look I'm trying to present for my characters. Also, trying to reframe my personal preference as a 'fear' is a disingenuous attempt to invalidate my position by trying to portray it as irrational.

Oh I have as I stated many times, I have found my solution. That said you really have not answered the core question, if you don't know, only way it bothers you is if you assume someone is using it. You are missing the point of my argument. This is legit one of those cases of what you don't know cannot hurt you.

I have my fix and it is great BTW, tad buggy at times but overall has greatly improved my experience.

[Estecka]

I don't really understand this, people would still be walking around with '' immersion breaking/bad '' outfits even if you turned glamours off.

True, the fabled trolls would simply equip the gear directly instead of glamouring it onto something. Same for people who care enough about how other people see them.
It doesn't matter that they're wearing lvl.1 gear as long as they're not in duty.

[Xylira]

Oh I have as I stated many times, I have found my solution. That said you really have not answered the core question, if you don't know, only way it bothers you is if you assume someone is using it. You are missing the point of my argument. This is legit one of those cases of what you don't know cannot hurt you.

As to how it hurts me? It doesn't specifically hurt me, but it does detract the enjoyment of making glamours knowing that other players might not see it. And yeah, this is literally just an issue of people's preferences. I prefer my characters be seen a certain way by other players, you prefer not to see other player's characters the way they wish to be seen. The difference is that this is an MMORPG, and part of an MMORPG is the social aspect of it. How we choose to present our characters is part of the social aspect of it, which SE very obviously is aware of and supports for the fact that the glamour system exists to begin with. Furthermore, the adventure plate and instant portraits are yet again another affirmation that how we as players choose to convey our characters to other players has an inherent value to it.

I have my fix and it is great BTW, tad buggy at times but overall has greatly improved my experience.

Good for you, I'm glad you're living your best life. Probably not the smartest idea to openly insinuate to modding the client on the official forums though.

[Joven]

Semantics. It's not technically disabling my glamour in its entirety, but it would effectively be invalidating the purpose of the glamour system by giving players the option to circumvent it. Ergo, in the spirit of the intent of the glamour system, it's effectively disabling it.

It's not invalidating anything. People regularly don't care about or use glamours. Does that invalidate the system? No.

But I can't avoid that other players can get higher ilevel items, or cosmetics, mounts, etc, from said content that I won't have the opportunity to obtain. Still impacts me, but I choose not to get upset up about it.

But you always have the option to participate or not. Unsync-ing is a thing. I've gotten several mounts and minions from unsync-ed Savage. Don't care for doing it sync-ed

So are you arguing for or against modding? Because on the one hand you're saying it's not a valid solution for you because it's against the ToS, while simultaneously trying to discredit my position by saying modding exists and some people do it. I said I dislike that people are doing it, and ideally I would prefer if they didn't. They're choosing to break the ToS by engaging in client modding, and running the risk of having their account actioned for it.

Personally I don't care if people want to mod so long as it doesn't affect my experience, which it doesn't. That being said, it's not a viable option for those who don't wish to put their accounts at risk. If someone doesn't mind the risk, more power to them.

You know, I'd consider accepting people having the choice to disable seeing other people's glamours, if they also added the option for everyone else to display people who had that option turned on to appear as an amorphous grey blob.

While that would be fine it is kind of a petty thing to have to know if someone is using the option or not. The whole purpose is so that you don't know who is using it. Does the fact that you can't be the center of attention bother you that much?

[Joven]

I don't really understand this, people would still be walking around with '' immersion breaking/bad '' outfits even if you turned glamours off.

Which is why the suggestion is to put everyone in at-level tome gear.

[Tehmon]

True, the fabled trolls would simply equip the gear directly instead of glamouring it onto something. Same for people who care enough about how other people see them.
It doesn't matter that they're wearing lvl.1 gear as long as they're not in duty.

Pretty much what I thought. It'd just become part of Limsa/RP/trolling/idling culture to always have an outfit at hand that'll bypass all the '' no glamours '' people.

[Mimilu]

Ok, and? It doesn't matter the reason behind why someone would use it. It doesn't affect you in any way.

Because your censoring people, not their words or action but them. Sanitizing them.

Why is it a bad thing to let people decide if they want to consent to being a part of what very well may be a kink or fetish for another player?

Why does it always have to be about sex with you virtue-fighting-wannabes? Maybe people just find those types of clothing aesthetically and/or visual nice? Or maybe they're exploring fashion options that they can't/feel like they can't IRL? (´꒳`∗)