It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[Joven]

Semantics. It's not technically disabling my glamour in its entirety, but it would effectively be invalidating the purpose of the glamour system by giving players the option to circumvent it. Ergo, in the spirit of the intent of the glamour system, it's effectively disabling it.

It's not invalidating anything. People regularly don't care about or use glamours. Does that invalidate the system? No.

But I can't avoid that other players can get higher ilevel items, or cosmetics, mounts, etc, from said content that I won't have the opportunity to obtain. Still impacts me, but I choose not to get upset up about it.

But you always have the option to participate or not. Unsync-ing is a thing. I've gotten several mounts and minions from unsync-ed Savage. Don't care for doing it sync-ed

So are you arguing for or against modding? Because on the one hand you're saying it's not a valid solution for you because it's against the ToS, while simultaneously trying to discredit my position by saying modding exists and some people do it. I said I dislike that people are doing it, and ideally I would prefer if they didn't. They're choosing to break the ToS by engaging in client modding, and running the risk of having their account actioned for it.

Personally I don't care if people want to mod so long as it doesn't affect my experience, which it doesn't. That being said, it's not a viable option for those who don't wish to put their accounts at risk. If someone doesn't mind the risk, more power to them.

You know, I'd consider accepting people having the choice to disable seeing other people's glamours, if they also added the option for everyone else to display people who had that option turned on to appear as an amorphous grey blob.

While that would be fine it is kind of a petty thing to have to know if someone is using the option or not. The whole purpose is so that you don't know who is using it. Does the fact that you can't be the center of attention bother you that much?

[Xylira]

It's not invalidating anything. People regularly don't care about or use glamours. Does that invalidate the system? No.

FFXIV is an MMORPG, which a large part of the point of an MMORPG is the social aspects. The glamour system adds value to the social aspect of the game by giving players ways to better express themselves through their characters. SE is very aware of this, it's the whole reason why Adventure plates and Instant Portraits were even added to the game, as they're yet another way for players to express themselves and better leverage the social aspect of the game.

But you always have the option to participate or not. Unsync-ing is a thing. I've gotten several mounts and minions from unsync-ed Savage. Don't care for doing it sync-ed

You have the option to not get upset about something unimportant, or to just play something different that better caters to your delicate sensibilities and narrow definition of 'appropriate aesthetics'.

While that would be fine it is kind of a petty thing to have to know if someone is using the option or not. The whole purpose is so that you don't know who is using it. Does the fact that you can't be the center of attention bother you that much?

Nice ad hominem thrown in there. I honestly really just kind of feel bad for you that other players choosing how their characters look is so distressing. Maybe MMORPGs aren't your thing.

[Joven]

FFXIV is an MMORPG, which a large part of the point of an MMORPG is the social aspects. The glamour system adds value to the social aspect of the game by giving players ways to better express themselves through their characters. SE is very aware of this, it's the whole reason why Adventure plates and Instant Portraits were even added to the game, as they're yet another way for players to express themselves and better leverage the social aspect of the game.

You're either intentionally or unintentionally missing the part that it would be entirely optional and only affect those who use it. At this point I would say it's intentional. Anyone who wishes to glamour and anyone who wishes to see those glamours can still do so at their leisure. It doesn't remove or limit social interaction in any capacity. It's no different than people who soley use the Trust system to run content. Should they not get to play because they don't want to be social?

You have the option to not get upset about something unimportant, or to just play something different that better caters to your delicate sensibilities and narrow definition of 'appropriate aesthetics'.

If it's so unimportant then why are you getting upset at the idea of someone using it?

Nice ad hominem thrown in there. I honestly really just kind of feel bad for you that other players choosing how their characters look is so distressing. Maybe MMORPGs aren't your thing.

Nice ego telling others what is or isn't their thing. If you didn't want attention then the idea of someone not wanting to see your glamour wouldn't be so distressing.

[Xylira]

You're either intentionally or unintentionally missing the part that it would be entirely optional and only affect those who use it. At this point I would say it's intentional. Anyone who wishes to glamour and anyone who wishes to see those glamours can still do so at their leisure. It doesn't remove or limit social interaction in any capacity. It's no different than people who soley use the Trust system to run content. Should they not get to play because they don't want to be social?

If it's so unimportant then why are you getting upset at the idea of someone using it?

Nice ego telling others what is or isn't their thing. If you didn't want attention then the idea of someone not wanting to see your glamour wouldn't be so distressing.

I'd rather SE not waste time on trying to develop something that detracts from the social aspect of the game, just to placate the delicate sensibilities of a minority of players. There's much more important things that SE could be giving development attention to, like making the instant portraits better.

[VerdeLuck]

I'd rather SE not waste time on trying to develop something that detracts from the social aspect of the game, just to placate the delicate sensibilities of a minority of players. There's much more important things that SE could be giving development attention to, like making the instant portraits better.

Who are you to decide what they spend time on? Do you work for SE? Are you a project manager? The devs aren't obligated to take on every feature suggested on the forums and neither are you required to come in and trash the place because you think it takes away from what you want if people suggest something they want.

[Xylira]

Who are you to decide what they spend time on? Do you work for SE? Are you a project manager? The devs aren't obligated to take on every feature suggested on the forums and neither are you required to come in and trash the place because you think it takes away from what you want if people suggest something they want.

So your opinion is valid but mine isn't because I don't agree with yours?

Good one

[VerdeLuck]

So your opinion is valid but mine isn't because I don't agree with yours?

Good one

Your opinion is "I don't want devs to see this because they might put it in instead of something I want"
So yes it's not valid

[Joven]

I'd rather SE not waste time on trying to develop something that detracts from the social aspect of the game, just to placate the delicate sensibilities of a minority of players. There's much more important things that SE could be giving development attention to, like making the instant portraits better.

Aside from the fact that, as has been said multiple times, it wouldn't detract from the social aspect at all. So what makes instant portraits so important? I don't care about those and never use them. Why should they waste their time on that for a minority of players? See how that logic goes?

[Xylira]

Aside from the fact that, as has been said multiple times, it wouldn't detract from the social aspect at all. So what makes instant portraits so important? I don't care about those and never use them. Why should they waste their time on that for a minority of players? See how that logic goes?

In your opinion. I and others disagree, and feel that being able to disable other people's glamours detracts from the game.

As for instant portraits, they're hardly important at all, which was kind of my tongue in cheek point. But at least they're a positive addition by adding to the system and expanding on the social elements of the game, rather than trying to stifle them.