It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[Bobby66]

No thanks.

The point of glamours isn't just so that you can change how you see your character, but you choose how your character looks to other players. Allowing others to disable glamours invalids a large portion of the point of the glamour system.

As for immersion, FFXIV pulls it's aesthetics from all past FF games, which includes some silly as well as more modern looking clothing. Furthermore, if SE felt that something really didn't fit within the intended aesthetics of the setting, they wouldn't add it to the game in the first place. In other words, if you don't like other people's glamours so much that you want to turn them off, maybe FFXIV isn't the game for you.

Main question, if you do not know then how it would it negatively impact your desire to use glam? Is the mere inclusion enough to deter or detract from glam? I just do not get how say me not wanting to see your glam invalids your glam and those that do wish to see it, especially if you have no practical way of knowing I am using the feature. You would have to make the base assumption that a person is using it in the first place.

If that is your fear just saying mods that alter how others are seen on your client already exist.

[Mimilu]

Except not everybody cares about how you choose to dress up your character unless, like the thread is about, it's distracting or obnoxious.

But the person wearing the outfit cares. (๑•̀ㅂ•́)و
You can't just type a whole speech about how you got over your self-esteem issues by learning not to care about what others think, allowing you to do and wear what you want and express yourself freely then poo-poo the idea for others. (✿´ ꒳ ` )

[Joven]

But the person wearing the outfit cares. (๑•̀ㅂ•́)و
You can't just type a whole speech about how you got over your self-esteem issues by learning not to care about what others think, allowing you to do and wear what you want and express yourself freely then poo-poo the idea for others. (✿´ ꒳ ` )

Once again, for the millionth time, this would not remove people's ability to wear what they want.

[Xylira]

Except not everybody cares about how you choose to dress up your character unless, like the thread is about, it's distracting or obnoxious.

Okay, good for them. It doesn't bother me if people care or not. Doesn't change that I still want to choose how my characters look for both myself and to other players, and the option to disable other people's glamours invalidates my choice for how I want to present my characters. I'm not fond of some of the more ridiculous glamours some people come up with, but I'm not so thin skinned about it that I'm unable to accept that it's just part of the game and look past it. In the grand scheme, it's really not that big of a deal and doesn't upset me if someone wants to dress up their Roe in nothing but a chocobo mask and thong, for example. If anything, seeing someone wearing an over the top ridiculous glam just gives me some insight about the player behind the character and whether or not I'd want to interact with them.

People play this game for different reasons. Glamour is just a small part of that. Many people don't care about EX, Savage or Ultimate content. Should they also not play the game? Telling people "this isn't the game for you" just because they don't care about a small segment of that game is egotistical.

I don't do Savage or Ultimate content, but the difference is that I don't whine and moan about it existing because it doesn't personally cater to my personal preferences. I fully accept that it's not something I enjoy spending my time doing in game, and I instead focus on the things in game that I do enjoy. Just the same, not everyone's personal glam is going to be my cup of tea, but I'm not going to whine about it if they choose to make their character look ridiculous.

Main question, if you do not know then how it would it negatively impact your desire to use glam? Is the mere inclusion enough to deter or detract from glam? I just do not get how say me not wanting to see your glam invalids your glam and those that do wish to see it, especially if you have no practical way of knowing I am using the feature. You would have to make the base assumption that a person is using it in the first place.

If that is your fear just saying mods that alter how others are seen on your client already exist.

If you're going to pull out the 'but client mods' argument, then let me instead ask why haven't you just modded your client to swap out ridiculous items with bland items? If you consider it a valid solution and the issue really bothers you so much, then there you go that's your solution. And no, I'm not advocating for breaking the ToS, just pointing out how moot your argument is.

But for the record, I dislike that other players can and do use clothing swap mods which can break the aesthetic look I'm trying to present for my characters. Also, trying to reframe my personal preference as a 'fear' is a disingenuous attempt to invalidate my position by trying to portray it as irrational.

[Caddo]

And the person wearing the outfit can still care but they'll never know that other people can't actually see the glamour unless they interact with them and ask "Do you have glamours turned off?". There is no downside to adding a toggle. It lets people turn off outfits that they do not want to do/immersion breaking/flat out silly and just show their gear while also letting people who want to still glam this way glam that way without ever knowing someone else doesn't see it.

[VerdeLuck]

If the glams are for you then why do they need to be seen by other people? If they could choose to see you in leveling gear instead how does that hurt you? Unless the only reason you play is to shove your half naked character in front of other people constantly like it's a fetish. It's not a fetish thing right?

[Joven]

Okay, good for them. It doesn't bother me if people care or not. Doesn't change that I still want to choose how my characters look for both myself and to other players, and the option to disable other people's glamours invalidates my choice for how I want to present my characters. I'm not fond of some of the more ridiculous glamours some people come up with, but I'm not so thin skinned about it that I'm unable to accept that it's just part of the game and look past it. In the grand scheme, it's really not that big of a deal and doesn't upset me if someone wants to dress up their Roe in nothing but a chocobo mask and thong, for example. If anything, seeing someone wearing an over the top ridiculous glam just gives me some insight about the player behind the character and whether or not I'd want to interact with them.

It's not disabling your glamour. You can still glamour however you want, just certain people won't see it. Only the person who has the toggle on will be affected, not you or anyone else.

I don't do Savage or Ultimate content, but the difference is that I don't whine and moan about it existing because it doesn't personally cater to my personal preferences. I fully accept that it's not something I enjoy spending my time doing in game, and I instead focus on the things in game that I do enjoy. Just the same, not everyone's personal glam is going to be my cup of tea, but I'm not going to whine about it if they choose to make their character look ridiculous.

The difference being that you can actively avoid Savage or Ultimate content by just not selecting it, however, you can't avoid people wearing gaudy, obnoxious glamours.

If you're going to pull out the 'but client mods' argument, then let me instead ask why haven't you just modded your client to swap out ridiculous items with bland items? If you consider it a valid solution and the issue really bothers you so much, then there you go that's your solution. And no, I'm not advocating for breaking the ToS, just pointing out how moot your argument is.

Modding is against the ToS. It's not moot to point out that people are already actively changing your appearance without your knowledge and it having no effect on your play. you're aware of this yet not crying fowl.

[Mimilu]

Once again, for the millionth time, this would not remove people's ability to wear what they want.

But it is dictating what others are wearing on your screen, thus allowing you censor certain people you find "gaudy", "fetishized", "sexual", and "immersion-breaking". ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[SeiyaSoiya]

Holy fucking shit what a disingenuous argumrnt
Console players cant mod their game
Is that not good enough reason to add this feature now?

[Joven]

But it is dictating what others are wearing on your screen, thus allowing you censor certain people you find "gaudy", "fetishized", "sexual", and "immersion-breaking". ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Ok, and? It doesn't matter the reason behind why someone would use it. It doesn't affect you in any way.