Stricter requirements for Mentors.

[VelKallor]

Having stricter requirements means those that pass said requirements are better suited to meet a higher standard. volunteer positions do not mean they have to take anyone off the street.

Bobby: Ill be honest.

I have met nurses who had the personality and skill of a teaspoon ( we used to have an old axiom that the nurses who went straight in administration after graduation did so because they couldnt hack it at the bedside) , I have met people with multiple degrees who had the commonsense and communication ability of a runaway Mack truck.

My point is that it doesnt MATTER if they have beaten all the savages, all the extremes, pvp, tests whatever..NONE of that means they will be able to , in any way shape or form,. teach, tutor, assist. Being a craft mentor doesnt mean you dont know combat jobs either. The key element here isnt whether they have met all these pre requisites because they will STILL suck at people skills.

Actually its hysterically funny in one sense because what you are espousing is the old US trope that having gone to college means you are smarter...it dont, trust me. Having a degree doesnt mean you know a damned thing, all it means is they have a piece of paper. Its what they can..or CANT..do after that being the acid test.

Doesnt matter how many tests etc, they do how many savages or extremes, if their response to a sprouts enquiry is "Google it"? They are next to useless.

[Conadrium]

100 CC victories......LMFAO

See you in six months...

Er…. I’m not normally one to suggest a skill issue but I needed 3 more levels for my 25 series mount yesterday. Queue a couple dozen CC with an overall win rate about 75%

I’m not even that good at PVP, but if your win rate is significantly below 50% in a two party pvp match then you may need to look at the common factor (you)

[xenahawk]

Idk. I’m with bobby66 on this one.

Google often has better advice and sometimes in depth videos. If a person needs assistance, I think they should have some personal accountability, do some research themself and then, if need clarifying, go to someone.

K so why have mentors at all then? Not saying that googleing isnt a good idea especially if your not sure but if someone is a mentor arent they supposed to help "mentoring" new or returning players? Taking them under their wing? If telling people to google it is the expectation then why bother having any requirements to be one. Hell i have never been a mentor and would like to think i have been more helpful then that.

[xenahawk]

Bobby: Ill be honest.

I have met nurses who had the personality and skill of a teaspoon ( we used to have an old axiom that the nurses who went straight in administration after graduation did so because they couldnt hack it at the bedside) , I have met people with multiple degrees who had the commonsense and communication ability of a runaway Mack truck.

My point is that it doesnt MATTER if they have beaten all the savages, all the extremes, pvp, tests whatever..NONE of that means they will be able to , in any way shape or form,. teach, tutor, assist. Being a craft mentor doesnt mean you dont know combat jobs either. The key element here isnt whether they have met all these pre requisites because they will STILL suck at people skills.

Actually its hysterically funny in one sense because what you are espousing is the old US trope that having gone to college means you are smarter...it dont, trust me. Having a degree doesnt mean you know a damned thing, all it means is they have a piece of paper. Its what they can..or CANT..do after that being the acid test.

Doesnt matter how many tests etc, they do how many savages or extremes, if their response to a sprouts enquiry is "Google it"? They are next to useless.

Totally agree on this. Being a mentor is not only having an understanding for the game but more important should be communicating with the players they are supposed to be mentoring

[Kolaina]

K so why have mentors at all then? Not saying that googleing isnt a good idea especially if your not sure but if someone is a mentor arent they supposed to help "mentoring" new or returning players? Taking them under their wing? If telling people to google it is the expectation then why bother having any requirements to be one. Hell i have never been a mentor and would like to think i have been more helpful then that.

While Google may have the best answers, mentors can still supply quick, easy answers or offer guidance. There’s a difference between “why am I getting pushed off in alphascape 4” and “how do I beat alphascape 4”. 1 is more in depth and google would serve better. Or “how do people know when hunt trains start”, for a mentor to direct them to a link shell or a discord server. There’s plenty more examples I’m sure you’d be able to come up with.

Anything that is in depth, and requires a lengthy lecture, a mentors time should also be considered. These are volunteers, not encyclopedias to be called on demand.

People should do some of their own research first, take the first step forward, and then reach out for clarification

[Myrany]

K so why have mentors at all then? Not saying that googleing isnt a good idea especially if your not sure but if someone is a mentor arent they supposed to help "mentoring" new or returning players? Taking them under their wing? If telling people to google it is the expectation then why bother having any requirements to be one. Hell i have never been a mentor and would like to think i have been more helpful then that.

I used to aspire to be a mentor. Then I realized how much I hate the crap that happens in NN and that I didn't need a crown to be helpful to new players. I spend a fair amount of time helping new people on an almost daily basis.

Google it really isn't a good answer in many situations with this game. So much of what is out there is aimed at max level and the players who have question more often than not are not even close to max.

Patience and communication skills are far more important than doing savage or ultimate.

[Bobby66]

Bobby: Ill be honest.

I have met nurses who had the personality and skill of a teaspoon ( we used to have an old axiom that the nurses who went straight in administration after graduation did so because they couldnt hack it at the bedside) , I have met people with multiple degrees who had the commonsense and communication ability of a runaway Mack truck.

My point is that it doesnt MATTER if they have beaten all the savages, all the extremes, pvp, tests whatever..NONE of that means they will be able to , in any way shape or form,. teach, tutor, assist. Being a craft mentor doesnt mean you dont know combat jobs either. The key element here isnt whether they have met all these pre requisites because they will STILL suck at people skills.

Actually its hysterically funny in one sense because what you are espousing is the old US trope that having gone to college means you are smarter...it dont, trust me. Having a degree doesnt mean you know a damned thing, all it means is they have a piece of paper. Its what they can..or CANT..do after that being the acid test.

Doesnt matter how many tests etc, they do how many savages or extremes, if their response to a sprouts enquiry is "Google it"? They are next to useless.

First of all, having a college degree does not inherently make you smarter, having one is far better then not having one in most cases especially if you get a degree in say STEM. You are also missing the point of the degree / requirements it is meant to limit how many people apply for said position so it easier to vet a person. Degree itself is largely useless in the grand scheme it simply serves as a means to get past the bouncer at the door.

You did hit the nail on the head though which is my point, either up the requirements or simply remove the program altogether. As it stands NN is just a global chat channel where sometimes some mentors get their rocks off acting as the police because they can remove certain people for 30 min. Google does a well enough job to mentor and guide players let us just leave it at that. A global chat without a burger king crown would largely function the same way as NN / mentor program does now. You will have players that wish to help, and player that wish to shit post and meme all day. In truth why do we need rewards in the first place. Though if you want it to mean something then upping the requirements will go a long way to establish some creditably to the point of the program. That said it is not like one needs a crown or rewards to be helpful to others.

[SturmChurro]

Yeah, well said. I'd say removing the program altogether is for the best.

[WP1990]

Elitists are not mentor material which is exactly what these proposed requirements entail.

[Masekase_Hurricane]

You know, I think I WILL take a moment to teach people.

If your a crafter, and have some spare junk low level materia sitting around, of any kind, you slot them into crafting gear, because gear with materia spirit bond faster. This lets you extract materia from it, useful crafting ones, at a faster rate.

Combine this with a spiritbond potion and maybe a scroll or other buff, and you'll be rolling in the materia.

And then when you DO need the extra stat points to make the next harder craft work with your macro of choice, you take them out (You did use old ones with a 100% removal rate) and overmeld in the ones you need.

That was my point they was saying crafters shouldnt be putting battle materia in slots. Whereas I would be giving advice as a crafting mentor to do it for spirtbond.