Stricter requirements for Mentors.

[Masekase_Hurricane]

Thus marking themselves as no one to approach for any help whatsoever.



If you have a teacher at a school, and you are told to go to them for help, you ask them and they flip you off with "go look it up'? Id go straight to the headmaster to tell them they have a teacher that refuses to teach.

A mentor is not a teacher they're there to offer support and point people in the right direction. If you don't know the knowledge you show them where to find it. i.e a Maths teacher teaches you algebra and a support teacher helps you work out the algebra.
You couldn't go to the Headteacher and say the support teacher is not teaching me math.

Ive seen mentors using battle materia in crafting gear.

Its unacceptable that these people are giving advice to new players.

So you're defo not a crafting mentor then.

[Kolaina]

A mentor is not a teacher they are there to offer support and point people in the right direction. If you don't know the knowledge you show them where to find i

i mean, you made the comparison

If you have a teacher at a school, and you are told to go to them for help, you ask them and they flip you off with "go look it up'? Id go straight to the headmaster to tell them they have a teacher that refuses to teach.

A teacher that wont teach needs to go be a bartender.

[DeNada]

A "written test", is this a game or a job? Y'know what this reminds me of?

Jobs in the US that demand a Masters degree...for a job that pays $13.00 an hr

Folks: lemme just remind you that mentors are VOLUNTEERS, they arent paid, they arent employees ( a fact that one sprout on Kujata had to be forcibly reminded of ), and they do this out of the goodness of their hearts.

Put rubbish like this in front of them and they will walk away "nuh uh I aint sitting a "written test" to do this.

Craft mentors have a very real and very valid purpose, saying that crafting "doesnt matter" or that " you arent a mentor unless you are a "leet raider" is a fast way to lose 95% of all current mentors, who, I remind you, do this out of generosity..

I dont care how many savages you have done, sprouts arent level 90, the vast majority DONT GIVE A RATS for savage or extreme, I repeat that it doesnt matter how many of those you have done, if when someone comes to you to ask for help and all you can do is flip them off and say "Just Google it" because "You are not there to hold their hand' then guess what.

You dont deserve to be a mentor.

As two organisations found out when they abused my goodwill, Im a volunteer, not an employee, and I can and will walk away anytime I want. As I seem to recall, one of those organisations had a conniption fit when they realised they had just honked off the only person who had been willing to come in and help out when they were short.

Thats what happens when they treated a volunteer like an unpaid employee. Mentors are volunteers giving of their own time. They can just as easily go to the Smith, decertify, you will never see them again.

Just because you aren't a paid employee doesn't mean you can shirk your duties when you sign up as a mentor.

In fact, you can simply not become one if you don't want to be saddled with the responsibilities of being one since no one is holding up a gun to your head to force you to become one and it's purely voluntary. If you do sign up as a mentor, it should be with the notion to be a guiding light to new players and be equipped with the knowledge, skill sets and patience to guide and assist them with any questions they may have. And a stringent enough test for mentor certification definitely aids in that process and weeds out players who are simply there for the crown symbol for prestige purposes.

If players are unwilling to take a test to become a mentor, they simply aren't cut out to be one and by restricting to mentorship status to only those who are deserving of one, it would fulfil the true purpose of mentorship and relegate the notion of mentors being a burger king crown and a source of ridicule as it is currently to the annals of history.

[Reinha]

And a stringent enough test for mentor certification definitely aids in that process and weeds out players who are simply there for the crown symbol for prestige purposes.

Harder requirements make the crown symbol more prestigious, not less. Right now it's a burger king crown for people with 3 max level jobs. If you require savage, it becomes a savage crown. You think people wouldn't want to wear a savage crown like they use the flaming wyrm mount or their dyed savage gear?

[Masekase_Hurricane]

Harder requirements make the crown symbol more prestigious, not less. Right now it's a burger king crown for people with 3 max level jobs. If you require savage, it becomes a savage crown. You think people wouldn't want to wear a savage crown like they use the flaming wyrm mount or their dyed savage gear?

Only thing SE needs to do is remove the rewards problem solved. People who want to help will do regardless if there's a reward or not.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

Why is OP putting 100 CC wins as a requirement for PVE mentor when PVP mentor has its' own symbol?

Don't get me wrong, the rest is still highly questionable, but this one stood out to me.

At this point I don't want mentor something people see as an unlock/grindable anymore, I want people who actually are nice/helpful and have good community standings to be mentors.

Though I expect a lot from non-JP players.

[Kolaina]

Why is OP putting 100 CC wins as a requirement for PVE mentor when PVP mentor has its' own symbol?

Don't get me wrong, the rest is still highly questionable, but this one stood out to me.

At this point I don't want mentor something people see as an unlock/grindable anymore, I want people who actually are nice/helpful and have good community standings to be mentors.

Though I expect a lot from non-JP players.

It’s probably a milestone they themselves have reached, thus holding everyone else to a standard they themselves are at. More like a flex than anything

[Tiramu]

Because if so sprout wants to engage in serious content, and you aren't able to provide the correct guidance, can you really call yourself a mentor? The current certification is a complete joke and any Tom, Dick and Harry can become one provided they play long enough without learning anything.

mentor
/ˈmɛntɔː/
noun
an experienced and trusted adviser.

Most sprouts who want to cut their teeth at serious content are in the ARR and HW Extreme fights, and wanting to do the Coils of Bahamut and Alexander raids. They aren't doing EW Savage raids and tbh, it just sounds out of touch with what sprouts are asking and need from other players.

Most sprouts want to know stuff like:
- When do they get a chocobo
- When do and how do they get flying mounts
- How Aethercurrents work
- Job basics - and I mean real basics like the core rotation at Lv20, 30, 40, 50, 60. Not Lv90. When to use certain abilities, how to collect mobs without having strays while tanking.
- How crafting works and how to make gil
- Stuff with their first relic weapon
- How often they should gear
- Job recommendations

Never have I heard a sprout ask for help with a high level rotation or savage content. If high end content comes into it, its usually about how hard those ARR Ex's are and which ones they should start with. Maybe some strategy stuff and whether people will run the trial with them.

[OM3GA-Z3RO]

Those are ridiculous requirements.

A more middle ground would be that wannabe mentors need to complete all older content synced with No echo because you can complete old content that requires you to do them unsynced and it will still count.

Also change the Mentor crown into a watering can to fit the theme of sprouts and remove the mentor mount reward because most mentors are only after that.

[VelKallor]

Just because you aren't a paid employee doesn't mean you can shirk your duties when you sign up as a mentor.

Did the word "volunteer" not resonate with you?

EMPLOYEES have duties, volunteers are there to contribute as they see fit, they have no duties, no obligations, no requirements. An EMPLOYEE is PAID, a volunteer is there out of goodwill, which can be retracted at any time for any reason they see fit.

DO NOT make the mistake of equating one for the other. I can right now go ingame and decertify, walk away permanently, no "two weeks notice", no "obligation to remain".

And a stringent enough test for mentor certification definitely aids in that process and weeds out players who are simply there for the crown symbol for prestige purposes.

So, they need a resume now?

If players are unwilling to take a test to become a mentor, they simply aren't cut out to be one

Put idiotic standards like this in place, and you may find out just how many are unwilling. I am way past "sitting mandatory examinations", I and others will be more than happy to refuse...all of a sudden you will find yourself with empty NN channels.