Respect the pull timer.

[Nyxs]

Again, and last time as it’s going to continue to be back and forth between us. A person is not obligated to speak to you. It’s not because they don’t respect you or your time. Some people just don’t want to be social. Some may not see the justification in purchasing a keyboard to be social when they aren’t playing a game for that reason. Just because you have a keyboard and want to talk or deem it necessary for a person to explain why they made any mistake to you, does not mean they see it that way.

People may not respond for many reasons. Could be an introvert. Maybe they don’t speak a certain language. Or they could be illiterate. I’ve played with a couple where the husband couldn’t read and his wife would speak for him if she was on.

You don’t know why people won’t talk. Nor is it necessarily your business. But because they don’t appease your standard for social interaction, you remove them.

Actually its a mmorpg so you do have to be social as you are queuing to do content with people. Get your weird antisocial behaviour off of a mmorpg if you dont like it or dont use df. Also, If you have extreme personal reasons to not be able to do content then get people who are patient to do it your way or a pf stating as such so you arent being rude to randoms.

[Kolaina]

Actually its a mmorpg so you do have to be social as you are queuing to do content with people. Get your weird antisocial behaviour off of a mmorpg if you dont like it or dont use df. Also, If you have extreme personal reasons to not be able to do content then get people who are patient to do it your way or a pf stating as such so you arent being rude to randoms.

Actually an mmo only requires you to play with others to complete content. But even that is changing with this game as they are making more and more duties available with trusts. Mind you these are changes I’m not a fan of as many old dungeons have become overly simplified.
Now I personally have no issue talking to people. Even with my keyboards usb somehow mangled, I’ll find a way. But not everyone has to talk. Get over it. With the response you gave, frankly, I’d understand someone not wanting to converse.

[Bobby66]

Edit: Why the double the standard? Do you feel people are entitled to the time of others?

[Kolaina]

I do not get it at the core you are saying people are not obligated to meet the standards of others, yet you seem to feel that people should just suck it up and deal with the issues of others? Why the double standard?

I honestly don’t understand what you are referring to. But I’ll do my best to answer in a way to clarify my stance.

People don’t have to communicate. A person not talking is not a troll nor a reason to kick someone.
However. I also don’t think an excuse has to be made to not want to play with someone. Difference of play style has been an accepted / approved reason to remove someone from a duty.
You don’t have to play with anyone you don’t want to, just cut the crap. Again I’ll refer to saying someone is a troll just for making a mistake and not responding to it. You think they aren’t good enough to play with you? Fine. Gone with them. Just say it as it is

[Bobby66]

I honestly don’t understand what you are referring to. But I’ll do my best to answer in a way to clarify my stance.

People don’t have to communicate. A person not talking is not a troll nor a reason to kick someone.
However. I also don’t think an excuse has to be made to not want to play with someone. Difference of play style has been an accepted / approved reason to remove someone from a duty.
You don’t have to play with anyone you don’t want to, just cut the crap. Again I’ll refer to saying someone is a troll just for making a mistake and not responding to it. You think they aren’t good enough to play with you? Fine. Gone with them. Just say it as it is

Thing is I only thought of them as a troll because they gave me no other reason not to think of them as such. As mentioned I would not kick a player that is new, or is trying but they need to vocalize that, they cannot make an assumption that the group will know for what reason they are struggling. The double standard is regarding standards is that it seems you feel I should be more understanding towards the circumstance of others, yet for some reason do not think the person who is not talking should not be more understanding to the circumstances of those in their party.

As mentioned I came to the conclusion that they were a troll / not participating because when given a chance to say what was up, they offered nothing. That is behavior of a troll or someone that simply does not care after being called out for a mistake, and asking if everything was okay. Just seems like a double standard to me. I have no issue playing with new people, or helping out others that want the help. If someone does not speak up how is the group to know they need help, especially when asked after making a mistake. IDK it seems you feel like this is more people not wanting to have a conversation, has nothing to do with that. I rarely speak in dungeons myself, I get people may have reasons for not speaking thing is when the player who has those reasons starts to negatively impact the group the burden is on them to clear up any misconceptions, not the other way around. I should not have to think of reasons to justify their actions, that should be 100% on them. IF they are unable to or unwilling to provide anything then imo they are not better than a troll,

[technole]

I always respect because I like a good opener.

But generally I notice it's a good tank ready to MT that has the countdown going, and then it's the other tank jockey that uses their gap closer to pull immediately and ignore. Like you can tell who is the mid in this situation. Bonus points if they die to the first tank buster.

[Atelier-Bagur]

I just dont get the point of getting angry and upset at somebody unless theyre literally actively trolling in their play like non-stop without fail.

I cant know whats going behind each and everyone one you guys computer screen. Maybe something came up in the middle of the game, maybe you dropped your mountain dew and doritos into the keyboard, maybe your mommy or your daddy yanked your ear off the computer because it was time for bed or something idk.
So at least with me thats my reasoning for giving people the benefit of the doubt with thia kind of stuff.

This game is stupidly easy anyway, like who cares.

[SassyAssassin]

, maybe you dropped your mountain dew and doritos into the keyboard, maybe your mommy or your daddy yanked your ear off the computer because it was time for bed or something idk.

Finally a man that gets it

[Vahlnir]

I just dont get the point of getting angry and upset at somebody unless theyre literally actively trolling in their play like non-stop without fail.

I cant know whats going behind each and everyone one you guys computer screen. Maybe something came up in the middle of the game, maybe you dropped your mountain dew and doritos into the keyboard, maybe your mommy or your daddy yanked your ear off the computer because it was time for bed or something idk.
So at least with me thats my reasoning for giving people the benefit of the doubt with thia kind of stuff.

This game is stupidly easy anyway, like who cares.

Obviously, things happen or there are potentially circumstances beyond someone's control. I also think that the approach that some have taken in this thread is a bit aggressive, to be sure. Personally, I'm more than willing to give someone the benefit of the doubt, and communication really isn't much of an issue in lower end content like dungeons and such. My entire point though is that once someone enters a group setting, solo play is null and void. And depending on the content, communication is a must, hence my belief that a keyboard is necessary, though I do believe that having one is essential in general. Some may disagree with that, and that's fine, but I will not change my mind.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Obviously, things happen or there are potentially circumstances beyond someone's control. I also think that the approach that some have taken in this thread is a bit aggressive, to be sure. Personally, I'm more than willing to give someone the benefit of the doubt, and communication really isn't much of an issue in lower end content like dungeons and such. My entire point though is that once someone enters a group setting, solo play is null and void. And depending on the content, communication is a must, hence my belief that a keyboard is necessary, though I do believe that having one is essential in general. Some may disagree with that, and that's fine, but I will not change my mind.

Which to be honest, this is a fair point!