Respect the pull timer.

[MaxCarnage]

Not talking can lead to the perception of trolling / not participating. I have personally removed players for not communicating. They make a mistake ask if everything is okay, no response and it is after 5min I indicate a kick.

No matter how you want to cut it, sure devs are trying to make the game Solo l, but once you queue and start content with others. That Solo experience is no longer in play, you have entered the realm of the social/group aspect where communicating is part of that.

So, because someone made a mistake but didn't verbally acknowledge you explaining their mistake, they are automatically perceived as a troll and deserve to be kicked? Not talking does not mean you are not playing. Saying someone has to respond to you or they get kicked is not only extremely rude but also very entitled.

[Vahlnir]

So, because someone made a mistake but didn't verbally acknowledge you explaining their mistake, they are automatically perceived as a troll and deserve to be kicked? Not talking does not mean you are not playing. Saying someone has to respond to you or they get kicked is not only extremely rude but also very entitled.

Yeah, the circumstances they described aren't really something I support, but the logic still applies if there are other various issues within the party. For example, if someone is performing mechanics incorrectly and holding back the group, an acknowledgement from the person in question is beneficial for everyone, especially themselves. The rest of the group won't know how to help them if they do not respond to anything.

[Bobby66]

So, because someone made a mistake but didn't verbally acknowledge you explaining their mistake, they are automatically perceived as a troll and deserve to be kicked? Not talking does not mean you are not playing. Saying someone has to respond to you or they get kicked is not only extremely rude but also very entitled.

What should I have done? I asked if everything was okay, without a response how should I have approached assumed everything was fine, and run the risk of another wipe? That single assumption ends up costing rest of the group time. If they needed help understanding the instance or their role if they spoke up we would gladly helped. Without speaking up I will simply assume the worse and seek a replacement.

Sorry not a mind reader, if one does not openly explain their issues I will make my own assumptions based off my past experiences. Not like I did nor give them a chance to say something, it is not like it is impossible to type out a response on console. They easily could have typed out something as they were tanking the floor.

What is entitled is thinking someone is free to waste time of others in a group because they refuse to usebthe jank system or are unable to get a simply a cheap 15 buck keyboard on Amazon. Before you say what if they cannot afford 15 bucks. Then I would argue if 15 bucks breaks your bank maybe this is not the hobby for you.

[Renalt]

So, because someone made a mistake but didn't verbally acknowledge you explaining their mistake, they are automatically perceived as a troll and deserve to be kicked? Not talking does not mean you are not playing. Saying someone has to respond to you or they get kicked is not only extremely rude but also very entitled.

What should I have done? I asked if everything was okay, without a response how should I have approached assumed everything was fine, and run the risk of another wipe? That single assumption ends up costing rest of the group time. If they needed help understanding the instance or their role if they spoke up we would gladly helped. Without speaking up I will simply assume the worse and seek a replacement.

Ok well for one I agree with Max...FOR THE MOST PART.

However if this content is current Savage content...Communication is key. Assuming they have no keyboard to type...an emote or jumping up and down signifying you can at least hear/read/understand the situation is helpful. If one particular person is picked from the group cause of something they did wrong and can't acknowledge they are listening...AND that majority of the group agree to dismiss them...I have to agree with Bobby on that point.

On any other content though...I'm patient enough that even if they can't communicate...I can get people through the content even if one person is hampering the run.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Not talking can lead to the perception of trolling / not participating. I have personally removed players for not communicating. They make a mistake ask if everything is okay, no response and it is after 5min I indicate a kick.

No matter how you want to cut it, sure devs are trying to make the game Solo l, but once you queue and start content with others. That Solo experience is no longer in play, you have entered the realm of the social/group aspect where communicating is part of that.

You know there is the possibility of them being a console player. Typing with a controller is just tricky and I imagine not a lot of people know how to properly do it.

[Asari5]

a console player could write 'wait' doesnt take long... or even make a macro. to indicate he needs time to write more.
doesnt matter how you play, as soon as you play together with other people you have to be able to communicate with them

[Atelier-Bagur]

a console player could write 'wait' doesnt take long... or even make a macro. to indicate he needs time to write more.
doesnt matter how you play, as soon as you play together with other people you have to be able to communicate with them

thats true, unless the rest of the party is on the move constantly. I normally like to give people the benefit of the doubt when it comes to just casual stuff like dungeons, raids or trials. Savage though yeah you need to at least be able to communicate.

[Asari5]

it doesnt really matter what content. if you consider dungeons casual content then you wont need to communicate. but if you're new, limited in some way or belong to the weaker player then you'll have to communicate in dungeons as well.

[Kolaina]

Without speaking up I will simply assume the worse and seek a replacement.

I will make my own assumptions based off my past experiences.

That’s definitely a YOU problem. Shame you feel the need to dismiss a player who simply made a mistake and may potentially be learning because of something you haven’t learned to heal from.

[Bobby66]

That’s definitely a YOU problem. Shame you feel the need to dismiss a player who simply made a mistake and may potentially be learning because of something you haven’t learned to heal from.

Shame on me? How am I supposed to know they are new and needed help? I asked, and I got no answer. In the end could have been avoided if they just bought a simple $10-15 dollar keyboard off amazon, or simply said something like sorry new while dead, or had preset macros with phrases like New, still adjusting. Many things could have been done on their part. Yet none of these attempts were made so yeah I assumed the worse. Cause if they could not take the time out prior to run to setup macros, buy a cheap keyboard, or even during the run simply write out "Sorry New" why should we deal with it? Remember, you cannot kick someone until 5 min has passed, that means they had 5 min to say sorry new at the very least. Sure some are more patient, I am not.

You know there is the possibility of them being a console player. Typing with a controller is just tricky and I imagine not a lot of people know how to properly do it.

I also know there is the possibility they were trying to leech off the group, they could have easily said something during the time they were dead.

thats true, unless the rest of the party is on the move constantly. I normally like to give people the benefit of the doubt when it comes to just casual stuff like dungeons, raids or trials. Savage though yeah you need to at least be able to communicate.

I can respect that, personally not a fan of giving someone a pass because the content can be done with only two people. Just because something is easy does not mean a player should get a pass imo. That said, if they spoke up this would not have been an issue, for whatever reason any lack of communion shows they do nor respect the time of others. As stated a console player easily could have macros setup, sure it would take time out to setup said macros without a keyboard but it is a one and done thing. Have ones that say they are on console with no keyboard, that they are new, that they would like explanations etc . . . may take a couple of hours but hey once your done your done. If they cannot be bothered to make an attempt, I cannot be bothered to give them the benefit of the doubt and simply let it slide.