What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

[Striker44]

So correct me if I'm wrong, but your sole purpose here seems to be to scream into the void because you don't like that people on the forums can write better stories than the actual writers of FFXIV? Hopefully you use that few day break from the forums to cope and come back to us with greater understanding and reason.

Seems more like that poster finds it amusing that other random people think they can write "better" stories, while the actual writers have created a game and an expansion that is overwhelmingly praised practically everywhere except this one little echo chamber of negativity...

Interesting. Please do enlighten us, what common assertion about the story (made by those disappointed by it) is factually incorrect?

I think the issue is more that nothing "factual" has even been offered to refute. It's a bunch of personal opinions trying to masquerade as if they're facts, but they're nothing of the sort.

I played other FF game and we never get ''friendship is magic'' trope.

FFVI comes right to mind. Heck, the entire buildup to the final fight is all of the people making cheesy inspirational comments that ends with Kefka making his "you all sound like chapters from a self-help book" chirp. FFIV has its entire buildup involve the people on Earth (or whatever the game world is) sending their prayers and magical spirit energy up to the moon to revive and empower the main team (Hint: it's the reference for the Scions saving and buffing us in the Endsinger fight). The trope you mentioned is common in the FF series.

[Saraide]

Thank you. The new poster is not knowing who is important chara of the guild is because is new. We are most faith of poster in tread now and we is welcoming you.

Long time ago guild has many writer like the Ayybeyond or the Madge King of All Amigos. They making the inspiration tread about the Prussian Garlemalding with blond blue ariana race and the Scottish Fordola and the duckstep emoji and the sticky emoji. This bring creation of new story for the Hildabrand where is kill by the God Meteo.

We join inner circle and have many talk in the tread. I upset about game is treating Garlemalding and post is most celebrate and welcome. When lose the faith and pass on old leader hand candle to us with the tear. But is not time for tear. Guild must prepare to fight forum paladin in the patch 63 with attack of the evil loprabbit of the Venar. But we can not making the army alone. Is need the high councilling to rule like the No Shadow God before was destroy and forget. I know veteren chara like the Tariq and the new chara Red Turkey having the faith to attack loprabbit of Patch 63. New or old is not matter. So will choosing the vice kings for the guild under high king. Support guild in join the link below if wanting to become the vice king. Will do the discuss in the real time. We will lead guild to the 1000 page.

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"Madge King of All Amigos" is so freaking good lmao

[Magikazam]

Seems more like that poster finds it amusing that other random people think they can write "better" stories, while the actual writers have created a game and an expansion that is overwhelmingly praised practically everywhere except this one little echo chamber of negativity...



I think the issue is more that nothing "factual" has even been offered to refute. It's a bunch of personal opinions trying to masquerade as if they're facts, but they're nothing of the sort.



FFVI comes right to mind. Heck, the entire buildup to the final fight is all of the people making cheesy inspirational comments that ends with Kefka making his "you all sound like chapters from a self-help book" chirp. FFIV has its entire buildup involve the people on Earth (or whatever the game world is) sending their prayers and magical spirit energy up to the moon to revive and empower the main team (Hint: it's the reference for the Scions saving and buffing us in the Endsinger fight). The trope you mentioned is common in the FF series.

I agree for FFIV, but FFVI despite having cheesy quotes, ain't centered on friendships. Cyan and Setzer are all about fighting on for the ones they lost rather than just giving up. The only one about friendship as far as I can remember is Mog who litteraly say he do it for the friend he made along the way lol.

[KageTokage]

think the issue is more that nothing "factual" has even been offered to refute. It's a bunch of personal opinions trying to masquerade as if they're facts, but they're nothing of the sort.

The main thing that bothers me is the tendency for people who were okay with the story to just scream about how the nay-sayers are wrong instead of trying to actually offer counterpoints.

At the end of the day, it is strictly a matter of opinion as to whether or not you feel the points the story was trying to make are strongly reasoned enough to feel logical instead of contrived, but it doesn't mean you can't at least try to back up those opinions either way.

[AwesomeJr44]

I think the issue is more that nothing "factual" has even been offered to refute.

Are you not the one who uses the alleged existence of a 'majority' that supposedly exists out there in the aether as evidence for everything you say?

[Larirawiel]

That inherent weakness was one of the reasons of why Venat chose to sunder everyone.
The second reason was also to make humanity weaker, so they would never be able to achieve perfection, which could also be destructive as we see from the Ea and other races that simply lost the will to live after reaching Utopia.

At this point of time, Venat/Hydaelyn cannot know it, that perfection can lead to self destruction. You get this information in Ultima Thule. But at this point of time you are back from Elpis and Hydaelyn is already defeated.


Cheers

[george357]

they really need to stop necro bumping this topic.

[Axxion]

The main thing that bothers me is the tendency for people who were okay with the story to just scream about how the nay-sayers are wrong instead of trying to actually offer counterpoints.

At the end of the day, it is strictly a matter of opinion as to whether or not you feel the points the story was trying to make are strongly reasoned enough to feel logical instead of contrived, but it doesn't mean you can't at least try to back up those opinions either way.

you should know by now, difference in perspectives are frowned upon. Even if you have valid counter points

[Necrotica]

you should know by now, difference in perspectives are frowned upon. Even if you have valid counter points

There is also a type of person who thinks the people that disagree with them should not be allowed to have discussions on these forums. They are the arbiters of what is right and good and they decide what people are allowed to talk about.

[Absurdity]

Zodiark was just a name they drop once or twice, how did he "deserve better?"

>friendship is magic is a tired trope,

Ahh so this is a troll post. Else I have no idea why you are suffering to play a Final Fantasy game where friendship is pretty much *always* the magic. Maybe go play COD or GTA where everyone is an edgy as**le?

Zodiark's name may have only been dropped once or twice until Shadowbringers, but he had been built up since as early as ARR. The Ascians regularly talked about their master, their god, the force behind everything they do. Over the various expansions we learned more and more about them and consequently about Zodiark as well, they didn't need to drop his name every single time.
Until 6.0 Zodiark was building up to be the final enemy we had to defeat, only for him to get axed in such a nonchalant and abrupt way that it felt jarring to say the least. Did it subvert expectations? Sure. Was it executed well? Debatable.

I also wouldn't immediately dismiss this as a troll post either, Droxy isn't necessarily wrong, they're just not doing a good job at explaining their point.

Yes, over the course of pretty much every expansion we did often use friendship to solve the respective issues in the story, but it was significantly more grounded and believable within the game's universe. We forged bonds and alliances with people and nations to overcome adversity by working together, using numbers and diverse skill sets to overcome what we couldn't on our own.

But with the introduction of Meteon and Dynamis the power scaling just went completely off the rails, it was an enemy so much more powerful than what we thought would be the final boss, Zodiark, even at his prime. Meteon became a problem that we just couldn't realistically defeat with anything so far established in the game, even if the entire planet worked together we would just lose.

So besides dropping an even bigger bad than Zodiark on us out of nowhere in the last stretches of the game the devs also had to invent a plot device to allows us to defeat it, making Dynamis pull double duty as the force that makes Meteon this comically powerful and also the force that would allow us to have a fighting chance, literally turning friendship into magic.


One could even argue that this turned XIV from a more grounded fantasy universe into a generic shounen anime, where we don't manage to defeat the enemy with training, experience, preparation and cooperation, instead we get more powerful just because we believe.