What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

[Theodric]

I don't think it matters if that'd happen anyway, nor do I agree that the post in question is 'silly'. It certainly wouldn't occur to the same extent if the game wasn't increasingly retconning large swathes of the established world building in order to tie absolutely everything to the player character and their immediate circle of allies.

If nothing else, there's a notable portion of players invested in the story and game who do not flock to social media in the first place or who at least restrain themselves there - so there's merit to the idea of the writers seeking to cater to more than just that particular crowd.

Which, in turn, is why there's a push from some of us to have more variety in terms of what sort of characters and stances are taken in the story.

Its not a Strawman if its exactly what they said.

No, what I said was this:

I'd just like more visible and meaningful engagement with regular players. Sending out a survey designed to gather some deeper feedback in regards to the future direction of the game would be a reliable metric - because as it stands, FFXIV and FFXVI very much feel like games designed largely for social media engagement and reactions first and foremost.

You trimmed down my post to remove the first part and the added context that came with it and then declared it to be 'weird'.

[Theodric]

Some posters do have a habit of - perhaps deliberately - reading into even reasonable posts as if they're some strangely alien take no matter the subject matter, I've found.

I think Endwalker would have been much better if it were written to follow the established logical narrative progression and world building instead of banking on 'feels' that simply don't hold up under scrutiny.

[ReynTime]

Some posters do have a habit of - perhaps deliberately - reading into even reasonable posts as if they're some strangely alien take no matter the subject matter, I've found.

I think Endwalker would have been much better if it were written to follow the established logical narrative progression and world building instead of banking on 'feels' that simply don't hold up under scrutiny.

I think what they're doing is considered a strawman fallacy.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Some posters do have a habit of - perhaps deliberately - reading into even reasonable posts as if they're some strangely alien take no matter the subject

You said

as it stands, FFXIV and FFXVI very much feel like games designed largely for social media engagement and reactions first and foremost.

Thats what Im replying to. Its really not that deep.

I think what they're doing is considered a strawman fallacy.

Its not a Strawman if its exactly what they said.
But its really not that deep, just found that part of the post weird. Moving on.

[Snorky]

There were places in the chapter that didn't ring true with my own perspective or rather broke my focus on the story of zodiark and Zeno's. But overall I loved the story of good vs bad. Reading fantasy's such as LOTR, participate in text based games where writing matters I have to give them a thumbs up for drawing me in. I hope the next story arc is another 10 year adventure or at least half of that. Something I can look forward to.

[BRVV]

There were places in the chapter that didn't ring true with my own perspective or rather broke my focus on the story of zodiark and Zeno's. But overall I loved the story of good vs bad. Reading fantasy's such as LOTR, participate in text based games where writing matters I have to give them a thumbs up for drawing me in. I hope the next story arc is another 10 year adventure or at least half of that. Something I can look forward to.

I fail to see how ARR - EW was a story arc in any way

[Snorky]

I fail to see how ARR - EW was a story arc in any way

I am not sure what you mean by this but do enlighten me, I am interested in your opinion.

[BRVV]

I am not sure what you mean by this but do enlighten me, I am interested in your opinion.

A story arc is a set of events all connected right? ARR and HW are already only loosely connected in my opinion. I see no connection for Heavensward to Stormblood. I mean the actual MSQ and the point of it, not the final quests that lead up to the expansion. Shadowbringers is almost completely detached from everything previous. Yes people will say otherwise but no i don't mean the things we found out but the actual story of ShB. No connection. When giving a summary of the most important events you can leave a lot that happened on the first out. EW makes up a new threat and retcons a lot to make it connect. So this is why ARR - EW is not a story arc imho. It loosely connected smaller arcs.

[Snorky]

A story arc is a set of events all connected right? ARR and HW are already only loosely connected in my opinion. I see no connection for Heavensward to Stormblood. I mean the actual MSQ and the point of it, not the final quests that lead up to the expansion. Shadowbringers is almost completely detached from everything previous. Yes people will say otherwise but no i don't mean the things we found out but the actual story of ShB. No connection. When giving a summary of the most important events you can leave a lot that happened on the first out. EW makes up a new threat and retcons a lot to make it connect. So this is why ARR - EW is not a story arc imho. It loosely connected smaller arcs.

Thanks for the explanation, I can understand where you might see it that way. One thing you are forgetting are the ascians. They manipulated in ARR, they also did the same in Ishgard with the arch bishop, they also did the same with the (crystal braves guy from Ala mhigo. As you must be aware emet selk is a garlean. Sorry about my spelling so to me yes it's a story arc. But hey I understand how you might think that way.

[Theodric]

Well, two paid DLC's were just announced for FFXVI. Not terribly surprising but it'll be interesting to see how it impacts FFXIV's development cycle and funding moving forward.