What if Support Role was Added to FFXIV?

[Shurrikhan]

Simple. It's not the direction the game has gone or is going. If you find encounter design dull, hackneyed, or boring; it is not a feeling that is shared across the entire playerbase.

Neither is your love for the present state of healing. Admittedly, we're therefore probably not going to see eye to eye on much that surrounds it.

Alas, this is about support tools anyways. The person you initially quoted asked for healers to have more of them (the intersection here), to which you responded that the addition was already made (despite its only ever having being reduced since Stormblood)... because healing. (?)

You talk about reinvigorating the game, but what exactly is and needs to be invigorated? Most people seem to want to revert FFXIV back to a state it was in.

Which is it, then? Do you want my opinion, or that of some ambiguous camp of "others"?

Many echo your thoughts, and I am not dismissing them. My indifference comes from a mindset that recognizes how impossible it is to make an entire mmo community happy, yet still putting in considerable effort to do so anyway.

You realize, though, that conflating critiques necessarily with some fatalistic extreme of "the MMO community is utterly unappeasable"... is dismissive, right?

I'm not asking to appease the entire MMO community at large across its every game. I'm noting that when development reduces things to its least common denominator alone, by taking the easy way time after time (repeatedly pulling the plug on an area of design instead of rectifying the particular issues behind some given attempt), the result is more often barren than polished.

I wasn't arguing about how powerful healers are. That would be you.

I haven't argued anything to do with the power of healers. My focus has been solely on gameplay, specifically in what can be done with/around Support tools.

[Gemina]

Neither is your love for the present state of healing. Admittedly, we're therefore probably not going to see eye to eye on much that surrounds it.

Alas, this is about support tools anyways. The person you initially quoted asked for healers to have more of them (the intersection here), to which you responded that the addition was already made (despite its only ever having being reduced since Stormblood)... because healing. (?)


Which is it, then? Do you want my opinion, or that of some ambiguous camp of "others"?


You realize, though, that conflating critiques necessarily with some fatalistic extreme of "the MMO community is utterly unappeasable"... is dismissive, right?

I'm not asking to appease the entire MMO community at large across its every game. I'm noting that when development reduces things to its least common denominator alone, by taking the easy way time after time (repeatedly pulling the plug on an area of design instead of rectifying the particular issues behind some given attempt), the result is more often barren than polished.


I haven't argued anything to do with the power of healers. My focus has been solely on gameplay, specifically in what can be done with/around Support tools.

Look, if your stance is to just say the opposite of my own statements, then not only will we never see eye to eye, the conversation was already over before it even began. If you are willing to lessen the thickness of your skull, and actually try to see where my views are coming from, then I will be happy to have a normal adult conversation with you about FFXIV, and the state of support in the game. If you think your focus has been anything other than to undermine my own statements, and regurgitate the echoes of the chamber, you are extremely misled.

Try to enjoy the game in the meantime.

[Shurrikhan]

Look, if your stance is to just say the opposite of my own statements.

My stance is that healer gameplay is not presently in a good state, that healers would be more interesting if they could make better use of downtime, and that their "Support" skills (as this thread and most players use the term) are insignificant and therefore could be a lucrative means of raising Healers' skill ceiling/cognitive load, apm, and possibly variety in use of downtime. If that happens to run the opposite of your own statements... woe is you, I guess?

Perhaps one could theoretically arrive at mostly good takes just by going the opposite direction of yours(?), but, as much as it might shock you, my position has formed independently of your own. That I corrected your blatant conflating of terms ("support" vs. healing done... on a healer) whose differences are essential to the thread at hand, does not make my every opinion here dependent on yours.

If you think your focus has been anything other than to undermine my own statements, and regurgitate the echoes of the chamber, you are extremely misled.

That people may disagree with your takes, or your purposeful changing of definitions / ignoring of contexts seemingly to suit an agenda, does not make them part of an unthinking-yet-conspiratorial echo chamber.