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    Quote Originally Posted by Deveryn View Post
    If they need more bodies, there are discord communities to find people to do this content.
    I completely disagree with this logic because you basically just described the state of Rival Wings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by McChaffee View Post
    I completely disagree with this logic because you basically just described the state of Rival Wings.
    People are running it and enjoying it. (Every day, there's a DC to hop to for Rival wings.) What is the problem? Maybe you should actually try this out first before bashing it like it's some heinous act.

    Should they also add roulette for other activities? Maybe you roulette for an FC or a venue. Sometimes you just need to do things yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deveryn View Post
    People are running it and enjoying it. (Every day, there's a DC to hop to for Rival wings.) What is the problem? Maybe you should actually try this out first before bashing it like it's some heinous act.

    Should they also add roulette for other activities? Maybe you roulette for an FC or a venue. Sometimes you just need to do things yourself.
    I think the point is that content should be proofed enough that outside communication methods aren't needed to accomplish it. I'm usually in the camp of "just use discord" but lately I'm starting to see the viewpoint of those who think the devs should provide ways to accomplish the content without it. More incentives should be applied to give people a reason to return to the content and tossing it into a roulette isn't a bad idea imo.

    It's understandable for savage runs of DR to be formed out of the game because you actually need everyone listening and on the same page to get the clear with the limit on raises it has plus just how chaotic it can quickly become. Normal runs of DR, Castrum and Dal I don't think really *need* to be kept to Discord in the same fashion.

    Ultimately putting those 3 specifically into roulettes would be nice for those still trying to wrap up achievements. The zone activities themselves are another story as the devs really need to put in a reason for those who have finished to return.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LianaThorne View Post
    I think the point is that content should be proofed enough that outside communication methods aren't needed to accomplish it. I'm usually in the camp of "just use discord" but lately I'm starting to see the viewpoint of those who think the devs should provide ways to accomplish the content without it. More incentives should be applied to give people a reason to return to the content and tossing it into a roulette isn't a bad idea imo.

    It's understandable for savage runs of DR to be formed out of the game because you actually need everyone listening and on the same page to get the clear with the limit on raises it has plus just how chaotic it can quickly become. Normal runs of DR, Castrum and Dal I don't think really *need* to be kept to Discord in the same fashion.

    Ultimately putting those 3 specifically into roulettes would be nice for those still trying to wrap up achievements. The zone activities themselves are another story as the devs really need to put in a reason for those who have finished to return.
    Like I said earlier, discord was used from the start in Bozja (and likely Eureka. I've only been around for so long.) We made coordinated efforts to queue up for CLL, as not everyone was doing it (and not everyone was good at it). Some higher level of communication has always been necessary in these games for years and it's better that it's handled by third parties, rather than taking up time and resources in the game environment.

    As far as Bozja goes, I believe the devs did plenty to facilitate completing the content. From content that originally required 48 people, they made allowances for fewer to participate and complete objectives. A party of 8 or less can do whatever they need to do. They shouldn't have to hold people's hands and shepherd them into these areas to complete content. Roulettes aren't the answer to everything. They're great for people doing smaller scale content, but as the controversial alliance roulette shows, people start to lose interest in objectives that take longer than 20 minutes.

    If they were to actually port CLL, DR and Dal to a more compact format, then I could see having them be accessible some other way, but even then you're still at the mercy of people's actual desire to run the content and then we end up with threads complaining about queues. This is why we've been better off not having a new exploration zone this expansion. They need to take some time to make improvements to that system or possibly move away from it.

    This whole idea is very lacking at the moment. You can't just throw stuff in a roulette and expect people to go for it just because of an excess of carrots added to the stick.
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