Content geared towards FCs

[Atelier-Bagur]

Ok, don't let the door hit you on the way out when you leave for WoW or GW2.

Yeah no. Im one of the biggest shills for this game and me having a hissy fit with jaded people in the forums isnt going to want me to leave playing this game that I love.

[Jeeqbit]

The reason this definitely can't happen is simple.

FCs are not cross-world. They should be but until they are, there are a lot of "cross-world" players who do not restrict themselves to a single world.

Statics are cross-world. There are cross-world linkshell communities. There are cross-world discord communities. All of these are like cross-world free companies and cross-world raiding, hunting, roleplaying, social events, BA/DRS events and other gaming is a massive part of the game. Content like this being restricted to an FC would impact all of the people in these cross-world (and now cross-data center) communities because it would restrict them all to their homeworlds. After 10 years of building a cross-world game, I doubt Yoshi-P is going to go back.

[Atelier-Bagur]

The reason this definitely can't happen is simple.

FCs are not cross-world. They should be but until they are, there are a lot of "cross-world" players who do not restrict themselves to a single world.

Statics are cross-world. There are cross-world linkshell communities. There are cross-world discord communities. All of these are like cross-world free companies and cross-world raiding, hunting, roleplaying, social events, BA/DRS events and other gaming is a massive part of the game. Content like this being restricted to an FC would impact all of the people in these cross-world (and now cross-data center) communities because it would restrict them all to their homeworlds. After 10 years of building a cross-world game, I doubt Yoshi-P is going to go back.

Theres nothing stopping me from creating an FC of my own if I somehow found interest in doing FC content. Its not very hard to join one either if one pays attention for like 5 seconds in shout chat with people always trying to recruit members.

[VerdeLuck]

Theres nothing stopping me from creating an FC of my own if I somehow found interest in doing FC content. Its not very hard to join one either if one pays attention for like 5 seconds in shout chat with people always trying to recruit members.

If you make an FC then you have to recruit 10-20 players who have the same schedule as you to do the content. You have to make sure they're active in the same hours and play regularly, as well as they're good at the game in order to complete this new content.
And they have to all be from the same server as you. That content would be DoA on Materia and Dynamis where there aren't enough players for PvP queues and multiple roulettes to pop in a reasonable amount of time.

Now what are you going to do about players stranded on underpopulated servers or servers where other people don't want to do that? You're going to charge them 18 dollars every time they need to change server, and give up their personal house, in order to attempt the content?
It circles back to what I said at the start, this type of content is on its way out. WoW even made changes because their reliance on guilds caused issues if you were alliance on a horde server and just had no access to endgame, and the other way around.
Remember when PvP was based on your GC and the Maelstrom just dominated every time? That was changed to force a random team specifically because of the problem you want to add back into the game.

[Atelier-Bagur]

If you make an FC then you have to recruit 10-20 players who have the same schedule as you to do the content. You have to make sure they're active in the same hours and play regularly, as well as they're good at the game in order to complete this new content.
And they have to all be from the same server as you. That content would be DoA on Materia and Dynamis where there aren't enough players for PvP queues and multiple roulettes to pop in a reasonable amount of time.

Now what are you going to do about players stranded on underpopulated servers or servers where other people don't want to do that? You're going to charge them 18 dollars every time they need to change server, and give up their personal house, in order to attempt the content?
It circles back to what I said at the start, this type of content is on its way out. WoW even made changes because their reliance on guilds caused issues if you were alliance on a horde server and just had no access to endgame, and the other way around.
Remember when PvP was based on your GC and the Maelstrom just dominated every time? That was changed to force a random team specifically because of the problem you want to add back into the game.

so basically screw the rest whom already are in an FC. People keep ignoring the fact that I'm not even saying that whatever content they makes needs to be huge to warrant schedules, but things that you can do for that FC.

[Raven2014]

so basically screw the rest whom already are in an FC. People keep ignoring the fact that I'm not even saying that whatever content they makes needs to be huge to warrant schedules, but things that you can do for that FC.

Screwing them? You're making it sound like people in an FC are being punished, or its members are being punished for being in one. It already has its own perks, the problem here is you don't think it enough and want even more exclusive content created for it.

If seemly not having more is considered punishment, guess what. I feel like I'm being punished every day in real life.

[VerdeLuck]

so basically screw the rest whom already are in an FC. People keep ignoring the fact that I'm not even saying that whatever content they makes needs to be huge to warrant schedules, but things that you can do for that FC.

There's no punishment currently for having an FC. If you want events, run events. If no one comes to your events then that's on the organizer. The problem is not that there's nothing to do for FCs, the problem is people don't organize anything or they organize events that aren't good.
I've seen plenty of FCs run MINE raid nights, make statics, have learning party nights, farm nights, decide to pick a night to sit around and chat as they all do FATEs. It's not even just the nightclub events, there is a world of content to be done that is completely wide open to FCs to organize and do.

Forcing people to be in an FC or they just can't do content is not the way to go about it at all, no one wants that. It was also done years back with Diadem as others have pointed out and it was changed because it was universally hated by the players. This is one of those situations where we can confidently say that yes, it was tried to force more FC interactions and participation in the past through exclusive content, and it was hated so much that players asked for it to be changed.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Screwing them? You're making it sound like people in an FC are being punished, or its members are being punished for being in one. It already has its own perks, the problem here is you don't think it enough and want even more exclusive content created for it.

If seemly not having more is considered punishment, guess what. I feel like I'm being punished every day in real life.

So ok, if were going to start playing like that. How about make the devs not make anymore Ultimates. We clearly already know only a select few ever do them , so why gate them behind doing savages?

Its this mentality thats the clear issue here. There's nothing taken away if they make something that is FC related and Im sure anyone who dedicates their time hanging out with their FC wouldnt be saying "no thanks". Not every content needs to cater to everyone.

[Saraide]

so basically screw the rest whom already are in an FC. People keep ignoring the fact that I'm not even saying that whatever content they makes needs to be huge to warrant schedules, but things that you can do for that FC.

How are people being punished for being in an FC right now?

[Raven2014]

So ok, if were going to start playing like that. How about make the devs not make anymore Ultimates. We clearly already know only a select few ever do them , so why gate them behind doing savages?

Its this mentality thats the clear issue here. There's nothing taken away if they make something that is FC related and Im sure anyone who dedicates their time hanging out with their FC wouldnt be saying "no thanks".

It's not mentality issue, it's called strawmen and reaching, which is what you're doing. Ultimate sitting behind Savage is what you call progression. Do you know why?

Because if you step into Ultimate without Savage gears, you're literally gonna get ONE SHOT by the first mechanic. And that's not an exaggeration. Even in BiS gear, missing a single mit or missing even just food and you gonna still get high rolled to the floor. Going in there with a whole tier of gear missing ? Yeah, unless you want to just zoning into the area counted as "accessing" content, than power to you, but I think most people won't.

- There are gating that naturally make sense, and usually people just see it as a sequence. Finish the story of the previous expack before the current one. Clearing the previous floor of a raid before accessing the next one.

- There are gating that's a necessity for the medium, like weekly cap. No player like it, but it's there 'cause no MMO can hope to survive without it.

- And there are gating like the one you're requesting, gating only for the shake of gating and nothing else. Thanks but no thanks.

Not every content needs to cater to everyone.

Hear that, the man who said not everything need to be catered to anyone, yet accusing people disagree as people selfish only care about themselves with a straight face.