Content geared towards FCs

[Vidu]

That exists already with current savage gears. I love some of the weapons for glams and I would reeeeeeaally like to get them but I lack the patience and skill to do savage raiding anymore. Does that mean the team have to cater to us casuals that want the weapons by making savage raiding easier? Hell no.

Thats not the same, though - dont confuse "getting to play the content" with "getting the rewards of said content". You can do savage right now - access to it has never been easier! Since ARR more and more options were added to make access to this content easier - putting it in DF, allowing to queue for it without a full party, adding PF, adding options to DF/PF to allow to "filter" for groups...
Adding FC-exclusive content would do the opposite - it would make content more difficult to acces in the first place, before even considering how easy it would be to get the rewards.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Thats not the same, though - dont confuse "getting to play the content" with "getting the rewards of said content". You can do savage right now - access to it has never been easier! Since ARR more and more options were added to make access to this content easier - putting it in DF, allowing to queue for it without a full party, adding PF, adding options to DF/PF to allow to "filter" for groups...
Adding FC-exclusive content would do the opposite - it would make content more difficult to acces in the first place, before even considering how easy it would be to get the rewards.

and my counter argument is exactly what you just stated in this post. You can easily join any FC in this game. The whole point of FC content is to appeal to those already in one. There's already stuff locked behind FC anyway and let me already tell you as someone who plays alts, I dont care for my alts to be in any FC, because the point for it is engaging with that community circle which I dont normally care for. I dont ever feel pressured or obligated having to join one for doing extra content whastover. My whole point for adding more FC based activities is for the benefit of those communities, not for the individual player. The solo player isnt going to necessarily care for that kind of content if thats not in their MO with this game. So why are we suddenly going "But think of the non-FC players!" Like seriously who cares. Let those people have their own fun. You dont have to care if you dont want to. I certainly dont. I just think its neat for this game to have extra stuff for people to do for dedicating their time in certain parts of this game. How is this so wrong?

[MonteCristo]

and my counter argument is exactly what you just stated in this post. You can easily join any FC in this game. The whole point of FC content is to appeal to those already in one. There's already stuff locked behind FC anyway and let me already tell you as someone who plays alts, I dont care for my alts to be in any FC, because the point for it is engaging with that community circle which I dont normally care for. I dont ever feel pressured or obligated having to join one for doing extra content whastover. My whole point for adding more FC based activities is for the benefit of those communities, not for the individual player. The solo player isnt going to necessarily care for that kind of content if thats not in their MO with this game. So why are we suddenly going "But think of the non-FC players!" Like seriously who cares. Let those people have their own fun. You dont have to care if you dont want to. I certainly dont. I just think its neat for this game to have extra stuff for people to do for dedicating their time in certain parts of this game. How is this so wrong?

This a million times. Blows my mind that were rly arguing about adding group based content in an MMORPG!

[Deveryn]

This a million times. Blows my mind that were rly arguing about adding group based content in an MMORPG!

As if we lack group content. That's the main problem with this. You're not adding anything new. You just want something behind a legit barrier.

[Raven2014]

This a million times. Blows my mind that were rly arguing about adding group based content in an MMORPG!

What blows my mind is 14 pages and you can't still be honest with your argument.

No-one against adding content.
No-one against adding group content.

We're against adding unnecessary string to said content.

What blows my mind is despite being asked repeatly for 14 pages, you have never once provide a reason why a content should be exclusive for FC instead of freely available, aside the I can't run my own FC so I need the dev to does it for me.

What blows my mind is you still don't get people not against your bill, but against the pork you attached to it.

What blows my mind is you still try to gas-light people about not supporting adding group-content, which we all do. This is just literally you running around accusing everyone who doesn't support your favorite tax-break as anti-economy.

[Jojoya]

and my counter argument is exactly what you just stated in this post. You can easily join any FC in this game. The whole point of FC content is to appeal to those already in one. There's already stuff locked behind FC anyway and let me already tell you as someone who plays alts, I dont care for my alts to be in any FC, because the point for it is engaging with that community circle which I dont normally care for. I dont ever feel pressured or obligated having to join one for doing extra content whastover. My whole point for adding more FC based activities is for the benefit of those communities, not for the individual player. The solo player isnt going to necessarily care for that kind of content if thats not in their MO with this game. So why are we suddenly going "But think of the non-FC players!" Like seriously who cares. Let those people have their own fun. You dont have to care if you dont want to. I certainly dont. I just think its neat for this game to have extra stuff for people to do for dedicating their time in certain parts of this game. How is this so wrong?

FCs are social communities, not content communities. "Those people" (which probably include most of us posting in the thread) are perfectly capable of having their own fun without SE stepping in to do the work they should be doing themselves.

What is wrong is limiting the content to just those in FCs when it could be content being enjoyed by all players regardless of what social circles they do or don't want to join.

What this thread sounds like is a bunch of FC Masters upset that their FCs aren't the cool, active places they imagined before they found 3 other random players to sign their FC petition, and now they want SE to fix it.

Nothing SE adds would change the problem. As I said before, if the FC leadership isn't making use of current content to keep their FC engaged then they aren't going to do it with new content either.

FC leaders and officers need to step up and make things happen for their FC. If they can't do that, why did they form a FC in the first place or accept a leadership position in one?

Map nights
FATE farms
Chocobo racing at the Gold Saucer
Glamour contests
FC room decorating contests
Scavenger hunts
FFXIV trivia nights
Karaoke nights in Discord (if the FC has a Discord 0r uses some other voice communication)

The list goes on and on of things that FC leaders can be doing to engage their FCs without SE's involvement.

Let SE focus on creating content for all players. FCs can do their own thing.

[Vidu]

and my counter argument is exactly what you just stated in this post. You can easily join any FC in this game. The whole point of FC content is to appeal to those already in one. There's already stuff locked behind FC anyway and let me already tell you as someone who plays alts, I dont care for my alts to be in any FC, because the point for it is engaging with that community circle which I dont normally care for. I dont ever feel pressured or obligated having to join one for doing extra content whastover. My whole point for adding more FC based activities is for the benefit of those communities, not for the individual player. The solo player isnt going to necessarily care for that kind of content if thats not in their MO with this game. So why are we suddenly going "But think of the non-FC players!" Like seriously who cares. Let those people have their own fun. You dont have to care if you dont want to. I certainly dont. I just think its neat for this game to have extra stuff for people to do for dedicating their time in certain parts of this game. How is this so wrong?

Earlier in this thread you were talking about FC-exclusive content as an incentive to join or stay in FCs, now you're talking about it like a reward for those who are in an FC - I fail to see how either an incentive or a reward for FC-membership is needed. For me the social aspect of FCs is and should be the main reason to join one. Do you really need an incentive to join a social group? Maybe a social group isnt for you in that case and it would be best for both you and the group if you went your seperate ways...

I'm actually not thinking about the non-FC-players, I'm mainly thinking about whether or not this would actually help FCs and my stance is that it wont and might actually do more harm than good.

FCs that are non-active wont magically become active - at leats not longterm - because some content only for them is added. Doing that content together still needs every bit of organisation that any other content FCs can currently do together (aka: basically every content).
Having content that can only be down via your FC puts a lot more preasure on said FC. Naturally the content - if it has to be played together in a group - will have a minimum and a maximum number of people who can/need to join at any given time. People not showing up or people being excluded because of that is only going to lead to drama within the FC - drama that could be avoided if the arbitrary rescritions "only FC-members" wasnt in place - someone missing? Ask a friend, set up a PF! More people showing up than expected? Bit sad, but its not like those extra people are barred from doing the content.

I'm all for more group content! But this group based content should be open to all groups, whether the people are from the same FC, the same linkshell, the same world or just the same datacenter. By limiting the content to "FC-only", you're mostly limiting the amount of people you can play with. Your "Massive Multiplayer Online RPG" basically turns into "Small Multiplayer RPG". So far I've not seen one good argument for imposing this limitation.
And I'm all for giving FCs tools that make it easier to organise when events happen (I'd really like an ingame calender for that purpose).

[Atelier-Bagur]

Earlier in this thread you were talking about FC-exclusive content as an incentive to join or stay in FCs, now you're talking about it like a reward for those who are in an FC - I fail to see how either an incentive or a reward for FC-membership is needed. For me the social aspect of FCs is and should be the main reason to join one. Do you really need an incentive to join a social group? Maybe a social group isnt for you in that case and it would be best for both you and the group if you went your seperate ways...

I'm actually not thinking about the non-FC-players, I'm mainly thinking about whether or not this would actually help FCs and my stance is that it wont and might actually do more harm than good.

FCs that are non-active wont magically become active - at leats not longterm - because some content only for them is added. Doing that content together still needs every bit of organisation that any other content FCs can currently do together (aka: basically every content).
Having content that can only be down via your FC puts a lot more preasure on said FC. Naturally the content - if it has to be played together in a group - will have a minimum and a maximum number of people who can/need to join at any given time. People not showing up or people being excluded because of that is only going to lead to drama within the FC - drama that could be avoided if the arbitrary rescritions "only FC-members" wasnt in place - someone missing? Ask a friend, set up a PF! More people showing up than expected? Bit sad, but its not like those extra people are barred from doing the content.

I'm all for more group content! But this group based content should be open to all groups, whether the people are from the same FC, the same linkshell, the same world or just the same datacenter. By limiting the content to "FC-only", you're mostly limiting the amount of people you can play with. Your "Massive Multiplayer Online RPG" basically turns into "Small Multiplayer RPG". So far I've not seen one good argument for imposing this limitation.
And I'm all for giving FCs tools that make it easier to organise when events happen (I'd really like an ingame calender for that purpose).

Ok I think at this point people are confusing about what type of "content" I actually mean for FC only. I means things that let you earn more FC actions or things that you already do for the benefit of that FC only.

Im not talking about huge exclusive content such as raids or zones or whatever. Just activities that allow you to further advance or benefit that FC. Thats literally all Im asking, just expand what we already have.

[Vidu]

Ok I think at this point people are confusing about what type of "content" I actually mean for FC only. I means things that let you earn more FC actions or things that you already do for the benefit of that FC only.

Im not talking about huge exclusive content such as raids or zones or whatever. Just activities that allow you to further advance or benefit that FC. Thats literally all Im asking, just expand what we already have.

Thats something I could get behind a bit more, indeed - the reason I've been thinking more along the lines of more "active" content to do together (like some dungeon-like content) instead of more passive content like earning FC-credits is that the whole FC-credit system has always felt very pointless to me in terms of "group building". After all, you dont earn FC-credits (which can then be used to buy FC-buffy, operate FC-vessels...) by doing stuff together as FC, but simply by everyone in the Fc playing like they would be anyways. Since the premise of the thread was to create FC-content that would breath more life into FCs and make them more active, I always assumed we were talking about content that would make everyone play together or make everyone be active together, not just adding stuff that doesnt really encourage any sort of teamplay.

...and while I wouldnt mind that - and I certainly wouldnt mind ways for us to spent the 50+ million FC-credits or get anything more for advancing through the FC-ranks - it also feels a bit... pointless when I'm thinking about FCs playing together. Because for those things they're actually arent - unless we propose a new system where (a new form of) FC-credits can only be earned if a certain amount of FC-members are doing certain (already existing?) content together. Like a Khloe-book for FCs, where a certain percentage of people completing the tasks needs to do from your FC to earn the credit? That way you could still invite other people to help out or use the DF/PF (I really want to stress the importance of that!), but a certain amount of activity in your Fc would be required.

[Deveryn]

I always assumed we were talking about content that would make everyone play together or make everyone be active together, not just adding stuff that doesnt really encourage any sort of teamplay.

Blame the OP for that assumption.

I like the idea of more things to spend FC credits on.