Content geared towards FCs

[Reinha]

Are you asking for content for the whole FC or content for the FC leader, like buffs, workshops and housing? The latter would only encourage people to make more solo FCs.

It should be something that scales for 2-24 free company members and drops personal loot or currency to all participants. Maybe it could be unlocked by finding the location with company airships or submarines. Hmmm, it's starting to sound familiar...

[Atelier-Bagur]

Why getting rid of FC where so many people are running successful FC? Getting rid of it because a few can't spend the effort to keep theirs running?



If there is a wikipedia with a "strawman" argument entry, I probably can cite this part as an example.

The majority of content in FF14 are "open access" to all. Everything you listed can be achieved given enough time spent. Some takes more time than other, but eventually you can access it. There are only TWO type of content that are hardlocked currently:

- Gardening.
- FC workshop.

The first requires you have to have a house, the second requires you to own an FC with a house or at least be in the upper echelon of the FC to access. And you can play for months and years and will never get any closer to to unlock these content unless you meet the requirement. And unless you haven't noticed, the community don't have a favorable view to those.

... Actually, there used to be a 3rd type content that was hardlocked behind FC: 3.0 Diadem. And guess what, it was so dead that they got rid of it after an expansion, and brought it back later as an "open" access. So ... true success story right there.




Who said anything about not wanting more content? Even if you want, you can lock behind some of the content behind FC now. Like: map can only be done with FC members, Criterion is made into an FC only dungeon. The question you seem to missed is people asking: what's the point? So if SE came up with a new type of content, which I believe everyone will like, we simply against idea of arbitrary locking it behind FC.

Like ... what's the point of limiting access to other players? And if your point is "so SE can help keep my FC alive that I don't want to spend the effort doing it myself", then people are just telling you that you have a bad point, not that they're against new content..

These points make no sense. We already have content thats theoretically "locked" behind having an FC such as company submersibles. Again I feel like sometimes we're just arbitrarly throwing around things being "locked" behind features in this game as if somehow all players are FORCED to do them. None of the optional content in this game is ever forced on the player, its why its called "optional" as in, not required to progress through the game.

So them making an activity thats FC related should have no bearing over you making progress with playing the game. Itll be just an optional thing to do if you happen to own or be a part of an FC.

[Raven2014]

These points make no sense. We already have content thats theoretically "locked" behind having an FC such as company submersibles.

And the point is the majority of the community HATE it.

You're literally saying hey, there is this bad feature you guys did that almost everyone hate, please create more of it.

Itll be just an optional thing to do if you happen to own or be a part of an FC.

Being optional have zero relevant in this context. Deep dungeon is optional, criterion is optional, map is optional, Diadem is option, crafting is optional, relic is optional ..etc.. I can choose not to them, but when I do choose to do them, I can access them at will. I don't have to join an FC and be at mercy of the people running it for a chance to do it.

Someday you will realize that group content is a good thing--and quit FFXIV accordingly!

Someday you will realize an FC is neither a requirement or the only venue for group content.

90% of my play time spent doing group content. So FF14 seems to do quite well in that regard. So ... remind me what's the issue here again? This is like someone saying "one day you realize you can't get by without me" and you just wonder "but I have been getting by fine without you?".

[Atelier-Bagur]

And the point is the majority of the community HATE it.

You're literally saying hey, there is this bad feature you guys did that almost everyone hate, please create more of it.





Being optional have zero relevant in this context. Deep dungeon is optional, criterion is optional, map is optional, Diadem is option, crafting is optional, relic is optional ..etc.. I can choose not to them, but when I do choose to do them, I can access them at will. I don't have to join an FC and be at mercy of the people running it for a chance to do it.

I just dont necessarily agree with this sentiment here. There's nothing wrong with adding more meaningful activities to do with other players. I seriously dont get this mentality from the community where they somehow feel like they're just "forced" into things.

How do I play game?

[Raven2014]

I just dont necessarily agree with this sentiment here. There's nothing wrong with adding more meaningful activities to do with other players. I seriously dont get this mentality from the community where they somehow feel like they're just "forced" into things.

How do I play game?

You don't see the irony here?

- Free access = no one force you to do anything for anything.
- Locked content behind FC: you are forced to join an FC if you want to do something.

Like ... make it make sense?


Also, like I said I don't get why you and other make it sound like the game don't have group content or FC is the only venue for it.

- I raid
- I pvp
- I run dungeon
- I do map

That constitute the majority of my playing activities. My "solo" play time on a normal day include

- 5min checking setting up sanctuary.
- 5min to get my beast-tribe daily done.
- 15min a week to do the custom delivery.
- MSq take a couple hours or more, but that like ... once every 4 months?

Even if you combine all of my "solo" time in a month, it won't even come close to the amount of spend on PF for group contents in one week. You're projecting an issue that doesn't exist.

[VerdeLuck]

These points make no sense. We already have content thats theoretically "locked" behind having an FC such as company submersibles. Again I feel like sometimes we're just arbitrarly throwing around things being "locked" behind features in this game as if somehow all players are FORCED to do them. None of the optional content in this game is ever forced on the player, its why its called "optional" as in, not required to progress through the game.

So them making an activity thats FC related should have no bearing over you making progress with playing the game. Itll be just an optional thing to do if you happen to own or be a part of an FC.

And company submersibles are a joke currently, it's just free gil income for anyone who owns an FC. Pretty much no one else sees anything from it inside of the FC.
What you're proposing is more of the same, something people already do not like, and something that is already being proposed by the devs to have removed from being FC exclusive.

The issue again is not that there's nothing to do for FCs, there's dozens of things you could be organizing to do with your FC if you just organize events and special runs of content yourself. The problem is that you want SE to take content and rewards they normally would have given to the whole player base, and say that you need to be part of an active FC of at least 20+ people to get this. That's not going to happen 10 years into the life of the game and were it to happen there would be a major backlash from the community at large.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Ok I just give up at this point. I guess people just dont want to have anything slightly more meaningful with their multiplayer in an MMORPG. Im starting to see where people become frustrated with this community sometimes.

[VerdeLuck]

Ok I just give up at this point. I guess people just dont want to have anything slightly more meaningful with their multiplayer in an MMORPG. Im starting to see where people become frustrated with this community sometimes.

Ok, don't let the door hit you on the way out when you leave for WoW or GW2.
you're effectively coming in here halfway through the life of the game and asking for complete changes and a complete shift in direction for the game to favor what you want. It'd be like if I went to the WoW forums and asked for them to stop using DBM. It ain't happenning. The community has decided what it wants and if you don't want what the community wants, there are other games that will give you it.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Ok, don't let the door hit you on the way out when you leave for WoW or GW2.

Yeah no. Im one of the biggest shills for this game and me having a hissy fit with jaded people in the forums isnt going to want me to leave playing this game that I love.

[Jeeqbit]

The reason this definitely can't happen is simple.

FCs are not cross-world. They should be but until they are, there are a lot of "cross-world" players who do not restrict themselves to a single world.

Statics are cross-world. There are cross-world linkshell communities. There are cross-world discord communities. All of these are like cross-world free companies and cross-world raiding, hunting, roleplaying, social events, BA/DRS events and other gaming is a massive part of the game. Content like this being restricted to an FC would impact all of the people in these cross-world (and now cross-data center) communities because it would restrict them all to their homeworlds. After 10 years of building a cross-world game, I doubt Yoshi-P is going to go back.