VIERA AND HROTHGAR COMPLAINT MEGATHREAD

[Caro178]

The new Havensturn event is about to start and give us a 4 piece glamour. I personally like that I will be able to use the rewards this year, the outfit looks amazing, not as nice as the one from Tataru's great endeavour, but really nice looking! Before not only I couldn't use the hat, but the house items too, since I don't have a house. I was participating in the event either way, but it felt at points like a waste of time. But now I am genuinely excited about it and can't wait to participate!

With that said I have seen a handful of people blaming Viera and Hrothgar for not receiving a helmet as well with this outfit. Or that the hats had a better charm and because of these races that charm is being taken away.

What do you think about this?

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The Heavensturn helmets are historically incredibly unpopular event items. I don't want to say nobody likes them because there has to be someone out there who likes everything, but I've personally never seen a single player use any of them and everyone I've spoken with seems stoked that we're getting a full glamour set and not a helmet. Viera/Hroth definitely aren't being blamed - sure, maybe they're being used as a potential (incorrect) justification, but that is not the same as being blamed.

The real reason we're getting an outfit is the Zodiac helmet set was completed as of last year's Tiger helm. There are no more helms to make and they wouldn't just re-release event items that have since been added to the online shop. Hroth and Viera had absolutely nothing to do with this decision.

[Allegor]

Tbh I'm a little worried that they seem to rather not make head items at all than making something Hroths and Viera can wear.... though I may just be reading too much into it.

[VerdeLuck]

Let them not make headgear then, I'd rather they make sets without headgear and no one miss out than the current design philosophy where they make a set with headgear as part of it, and then 2 races just don't get the full glam they designed.

[Caro178]

Tbh I'm a little worried that they seem to rather not make head items at all than making something Hroths and Viera can wear.... though I may just be reading too much into it.

I can't think of an example that isn't this one case, tbh? All the Endwalker tomestone and raid gear either work directly on Viera/Hroth or have headgear that works on all the other races. Same with all the Endwalker event gear and Mogstation glamours. Imo this outfit is meant to go with the big collection of helmets that already exist, which sure, aren't bunny/catman compatible, but there's no shortage of options for those who can wear them.

If I was seeing a pattern I would be the first to point it out, but when it comes to Heavensturn it just seems like we have a massive pile of helmets already and they probably just decided to provide an outfit to match them.

[RyuDragnier]

I can't think of an example that isn't this one case, tbh? All the Endwalker tomestone and raid gear either work directly on Viera/Hroth or have headgear that works on all the other races. Same with all the Endwalker event gear and Mogstation glamours. Imo this outfit is meant to go with the big collection of helmets that already exist, which sure, aren't bunny/catman compatible, but there's no shortage of options for those who can wear them.

If I was seeing a pattern I would be the first to point it out, but when it comes to Heavensturn it just seems like we have a massive pile of helmets already and they probably just decided to provide an outfit to match them.

I'm hoping they drop the helmets permanently. Start giving us other stuff for a change from now on. Mounts, minions, emotes, etc. The helmets are ugly and overplayed for the event.

[Pip_Chick]

I'm hoping they drop the helmets permanently. Start giving us other stuff for a change from now on. Mounts, minions, emotes, etc. The helmets are ugly and overplayed for the event.

I would like it if instead of helmets we would get more face paint!

[Caro178]

I'm hoping they drop the helmets permanently. Start giving us other stuff for a change from now on. Mounts, minions, emotes, etc. The helmets are ugly and overplayed for the event.

I'm hoping that's the case as well. I guess the helmets are kinda funny, but not something most XIV players seem inclined to wear as a serious glamour. They don't even have the lasting meme power of the mascot sets which are also definitely not meant for serious glamou, but are significantly funnier than the funniest Heavensturn helm. Hopefully we continue getting different rewards after this glam set.

[LathyrusLoon]

Tbh I'm a little worried that they seem to rather not make head items at all than making something Hroths and Viera can wear.... though I may just be reading too much into it.

the latest mog station outfit has a hat. but they were fine with not letting Hrothgar or Viera wearing the hat. even at such a high price point. They clearly do not give a fuck about making something hroths/viera can wear.

[Caro178]

the latest mog station outfit has a hat. but they were fine with not letting Hrothgar or Viera wearing the hat. even at such a high price point. They clearly do not give a fuck about making something hroths/viera can wear.

Realistically speaking if there is ever an update for headgear compatibility it's going to come as part of a massive overhaul rather than something implemented on a hat-by-hat basis. I do expect we'll see some big changes one day (7.0?), but they've lost plenty of fan favour over the years and it's frankly going to be impossible to win it all back at this point. It's clearly an ongoing process and it's perfectly justifiable to be upset about the current state of things.

[VerdeLuck]

Realistically speaking if there is ever an update for headgear compatibility it's going to come as part of a massive overhaul rather than something implemented on a hat-by-hat basis. I do expect we'll see some big changes one day (7.0?), but they've lost plenty of fan favour over the years and it's frankly going to be impossible to win it all back at this point. It's clearly an ongoing process and it's perfectly justifiable to be upset about the current state of things.

I don't have much faith in the 7.0 update, SE's MO recently has been to release something, get backlash on it, claim they didn't know there was such support for x feature, say they'll do better next time, then repeat it over again. Chances are they're going to just update all the ARR-Stormblood races and areas, and leave Viera and Hroths untouched. In a Live Letter, Yoshi-p will say "We're shocked to hear that Viera players are disappointed in the graphics update not updating their models or headgear, we can try to do something after 8.0" and it'll push the issue back another 2 years. They already said they would make new gear compatible going forward from Endwalker, but now it's shifted to being after the 7.0 graphical rework.