Savage loot lockout should be removed when an ultimate is released

[Jeeqbit]

By that logic, the tier should never be unlocked prior to the release of a new one. After all, people are still progging 6-7 months into a Savage tier's lifecycle.

And by OP's logic, the tier should be unlocked immediately upon release. Because if midcore and casual statics don't need it then neither do the hardcore statics that clear it all week 1. If it exists for people who clear week 1 and reclear for 8 weeks straight only, then why shouldn't it exist for all the statics that take longer than that?

[ForteNightshade]

And by OP's logic, the tier should be unlocked immediately upon release. Because if midcore and casual statics don't need it then neither do the hardcore statics that clear it all week 1. If it exists for people who clear week 1 and reclear for 8 weeks straight only, then why shouldn't it exist for all the statics that take longer than that?

... this is a complete strawman, mate. Nowhere does the OP even insinuate this. What they're saying is they can't flex roles for potential Ultimate statics despite having cleared the tier already. Which is correct. In fact, I was in that exact scenario for Dragonsong. I can play Dragoon and Summoner but don't yet have the gear for them despite Savage being out for eighteen weeks.

Not to mention, they're asking for the odd patch to make gearing easier. The literal point of odd patches is catching players up. So it stands to reason unlocking Savage earlier makes sense. You keep insisting this will somehow ruin the prog of casual statics. It doesn't impact them whatsoever. What difference does it make to their prog if Savage is unlocked? They still have to finish the fights and collect the gear if they so desire. Most casual statics are simply excited to finish a tier before the next one releases. Gear is a bonus. Meanwhile, Midcore groups aren't clearing 4-5 months into a tier's lifecycle. If they are, they're casual not midcore.

[kevin_satron]

There are multiple types of raiders

1 job only = players that are too lazy to learn other jobs to raid. but/or actually wants to learn other jobs but because of the loot lockout, it took 8 weeks just to get full bis per job from 19 different jobs. aint nobody got time for that

multiple jobs = players that want to learn every single jobs to raid. well maybe at maximum 5 jobs (1 job per role). and will keep raiding until the next savage tier

multiple characters = players that want to keep raiding every single days by playing a different characters on same/different server. this also apply for 1 job only players

multiple accounts = bots/RMTers like selling clear. lol

[Rolder50]

Just because you cleared doesn't mean everyone did. There are casual statics. Tiers usually last around 6 months before getting unlocked like that.

Removing the loot lockout earlier benefit basically everyone.

People who have cleared already can gear alt jobs easier.

People who are progging get a little boost in their speed if they want because more gear.

PF Groups are more active because people can clear multiple times a week and still get loot.

Really I can't think of a good reason to even have a loot lockout in the first place, aside from getting players to stay subbed longer.

Edit: I thought of another benefit. Players in statics can join pugs without screwing over their static in terms of coffers.

[RyuDragnier]

The savage fight should unlock 8 weeks after release.

Its a simple solution. If you actually care about the content you will have cleared by then, and have BiS gear in Week 8.

There is no logical reason to hardlock the instance and loot after 8 weeks, People want to gear multiple jobs and cant.

You do realize not everybody can just spend every waking hour of this game in raid, right? And some people learn certain mechanics faster than others.

[Liam_Harper]

It's always the same story. We ask for unlock to be earlier and gear to be easier to get because we want to play more and try out some alts.

People who likely barely do Savage parrot on about how it's meant to force people to stay subbed, throw out salty passive aggressive "you should raid with your 610 gear at min ilv for the challenge" and jump through hoops trying to argue how the whole miserable system that forces you into one job and discourages helping out friends over the week is great.

Meanwhile we just stop playing. It sucks, it's not fun, we aren't doing the tome and gear treadmill for 2+ months for one alt job. Nor are we dragging poorly geared alts in for reclears. I love Savage, but personally I've never played the game less this expansion. I'm bored to death of tomes, locks, long waits for alt gear and all the rest. Arguing doesn't make me less bored, it's an opinion, so we leave feedback.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Removing the loot lockout earlier benefit basically everyone.

People who have cleared already can gear alt jobs easier.

People who are progging get a little boost in their speed if they want because more gear.

PF Groups are more active because people can clear multiple times a week and still get loot.

Really I can't think of a good reason to even have a loot lockout in the first place, aside from getting players to stay subbed longer.

Edit: I thought of another benefit. Players in statics can join pugs without screwing over their static in terms of coffers.

Benefit everyone cept SE whom use the lockouts to justify subscriptions lol

[ForteNightshade]

Meanwhile we just stop playing. It sucks, it's not fun, we aren't doing the tome and gear treadmill for 2+ months for one alt job. Nor are we dragging poorly geared alts in for reclears. I love Savage, but personally I've never played the game less this expansion. I'm bored to death of tomes, locks, long waits for alt gear and all the rest. Arguing doesn't make me less bored, it's an opinion, so we leave feedback.

I've taken to leveling a separate character I moved to Halicarnassus just because the EXP gains are so insane. A month in and I have eight jobs at 70+ The fact I even have to do that just to do more Savage is ridiculous.

Benefit everyone cept SE whom use the lockouts to justify subscriptions lol

As demonstrated in my earlier post. This is not the case for odd numbered patches. The content release schedule all but ensures people will stay subbed regardless of Savage being unlocked or not. So it actually does benefit SE as more players will be available/willing to help those who haven't cleared the tier yet.

[Atelier-Bagur]

I've taken to leveling a separate character I moved to Halicarnassus just because the EXP gains are so insane. A month in and I have eight jobs at 70+ The fact I even have to do that just to do more Savage is ridiculous.



As demonstrated in my earlier post. This is not the case for odd numbered patches. The content release schedule all but ensures people will stay subbed regardless of Savage being unlocked or not. So it actually does benefit SE as more players will be available/willing to help those who haven't cleared the tier yet.

True but thats probably what they think, otherwise why is it even like this.

[Ivtrix]

You do realize not everybody can just spend every waking hour of this game in raid, right? And some people learn certain mechanics faster than others.

most people in this game raid 12-16 hours a week

and still clear relatively quickly.