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  1. #21
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    Saying "genuine as possible" seems like a loaded phrase. Yeah it's the hardest at the absolute earliest when it's released, but it's not like you can't just prog it blind months or even years later with most of the difficulty intact. That's why they have such tight ilvl ranges and don't allow unsync.

    But I would be fine with savage getting unlocked earlier anyway, the fact is savage dies out after about weeks 8/16 when people get their main job and maybe a single alt job to BiS and PF participation drops dramatically. Removing the restriction for chests would be helpful since it'd let people who haven't cleared yet get a clear or get loot wthout being punished by playing with people from the small pool of those still doing savage, just because a few people already cleared this week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur View Post
    True but thats probably what they think, otherwise why is it even like this.
    While a fair point, I'd hazard it has more to do with the dev team still putting Savage on a pedestal. Which also explains why they didn't put any Savage gear in Criterion despite the difficulty being on par (or even surpassing) some of Abyoss' Savage encounters.
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  3. #23
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    Hayk Farsight
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivtrix View Post
    most people in this game raid 12-16 hours a week

    and still clear relatively quickly.
    I have yet to meet those people. Most raiders I've met do 6-8 hours a week, and depending on how well their group learns things, have either cleared by week 8, or take as long as the full patch. Luck with static members also comes into play there.

    Using my group as an example, last tier we had a revolving door of members in P3S for a full month and a half before things finally settled down (due to people faking credentials, high horse attitudes, having to retrain and resync with new people, etc). It's not like we didn't clear the previous fights quickly either, we cleared P1S after 2 weeks of practice, and P2S the next 2 weeks after that. And this tier is far worse than last tier mechanically too.

    Expecting everybody serious about it to clear the tier in 8 weeks is...well, pretty elitist thinking.
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    Eh loot aside, I can't help but think Ultimate dropping at this patch cycle is a bit ill-timing. SE should save it to release after the 3rd savage tier instead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raven2014 View Post
    Eh loot aside, I can't help but think Ultimate dropping at this patch cycle is a bit ill-timing. SE should save it to release after the 3rd savage tier instead.
    If it was set for 6.5 then any small delay would push it to 7.1
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    Quote Originally Posted by VerdeLuck View Post
    If it was set for 6.5 then any small delay would push it to 7.1
    If there is gonna a delay for it, we would hear about it by now.

    My concern is the content pacing.

    Ult coming out now means it gives people like 1.5month top until the next tier? That'll be a large time pressure for all but the most hardcore ultimate static. Comparing to the the last tier of savage we don't have any more raid content (aside the last 24) for ~6months until the next expack, an ultimate will be something very welcome to tie raid group over during that period.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raven2014 View Post
    If there is gonna a delay for it, we would hear about it by now.

    My concern is the content pacing.

    Ult coming out now means it gives people like 1.5month top until the next tier? That'll be a large time pressure for all but the most hardcore ultimate static. Comparing to the the last tier of savage we don't have any more raid content (aside the last 24) for ~6months until the next expack, an ultimate will be something very welcome to tie raid group over during that period.
    The next tier is coming out in 6.4 which is about 4 months from the 6.3 release date, it's not going to be a month and a half, it's going to be closer to 3-3.5 months given when 6.31 happens.
    They didn't know whether there would be a delay or not, and we had DSR delayed from 5.5 to 6.1 and by the time they knew there would be a delay, it was too late to do anything but push it back to the next expansion, obviously raiders don't want that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raven2014 View Post
    If there is gonna a delay for it, we would hear about it by now.

    My concern is the content pacing.

    Ult coming out now means it gives people like 1.5month top until the next tier? That'll be a large time pressure for all but the most hardcore ultimate static. Comparing to the the last tier of savage we don't have any more raid content (aside the last 24) for ~6months until the next expack, an ultimate will be something very welcome to tie raid group over during that period.
    It will be roughly 4 months from 6.3 until 6.4 release. Same as it was for DSR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azuri View Post
    It will be roughly 4 months from 6.3 until 6.4 release. Same as it was for DSR.
    Oh, so next savage coming out right around summer then? That actually is great to hear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raven2014 View Post
    If there is gonna a delay for it, we would hear about it by now.

    My concern is the content pacing.

    Ult coming out now means it gives people like 1.5month top until the next tier? That'll be a large time pressure for all but the most hardcore ultimate static. Comparing to the the last tier of savage we don't have any more raid content (aside the last 24) for ~6months until the next expack, an ultimate will be something very welcome to tie raid group over during that period.
    Part of why Dragonsong got delayed was because pushing it to 5.51 meant they couldn't afford any delays whatsoever. Additionally, it lowers TOP's relevancy at max level. Instead of it being a year and a half, we'd have only 5-6 months before we're level 100 and power creep takes over.

    Putting all that aside, 6.4 won't be releasing until sometime in May. Every major patch is roughly four months apart. It'll be no different than Dragonsong.
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