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  1. #321
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    Quote Originally Posted by VelKallor View Post
    Wall of nonsense[/B]
    Good lord. I'm done, there's no help for you at this point, you absolutely refuse to look beyond your own viewpoint. Funny you mention tunnel vision... It's just funny that you're complaining about things that already exist in game as if SE adding official parsing tools would suddenly bring those things in.

    I was going to respond to the subject of the streamer being an ass, but... I think I'm just gonna save my time, this thread's gone about as far as it can.
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  2. #322
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    I have to ask, what did a group say to you in the past? Cause this seems personal for you.
    One day come to my server, come find me, and Ill tell you some war stories, along with some graphic recountings of some of the borderline foaming at the mouth berserk raging I have seen over the years.. but I misdoubt you ever will.

    Yes, in a way it is personal.

    When a so called "raid leader" gets so tied up in his number crunching and almost Borg level minmaxing, to the point where they scream in chat they wished your mother had aborted you......you tend to remember little things like that.

    Id call that personal.

    This is in fact one reason I refuse to ever go beyond normal raids etc...I see no reason why I would ever tolerate that kind of conduct...from anyone. Under any circumstances. I am anti parser because I have already seen where that road leads.

    Everyone here for the most part knows it will never happen, but despite that you seem personally offended by the idea of parsing being even talked about openly. Tell us your story.
    Id love to, but as far as that goes, you and a lot of others will tell me these events never happened and Im making it all up. So, no.

    Ive been called a liar before because some of you refuse to accept facts on the basis it hasnt happened to you, or you never saw it, so it never happened at all. "WOW doesnt have much toxicity due to dps meters" is the usual mantra.

    "Tradittore, Tradutore" the translator is a traitor. Tell them the truth tell them a lie, it doesnt matter , they wont believe you anyway."

    Wall of nonsense[/B]
    Case in point.

    As far as this forum and many of its members are concerned, denial is definitely not just a river in Egypt.
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  3. #323
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    Quote Originally Posted by VelKallor View Post
    As far as this forum and many of its members are concerned, denial is definitely not just a river in Egypt.
    Denial, says the forum poster who has absolutely no experience in high-end content in this game but still refuse to read from people who do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VelKallor View Post
    My God, so you mean players make mistakes? OUTRAGEOUS. OFF WITH THEIR HEADS I say...

    Who decides what is "optimum". You? Firemage? A spreadsheet? A simulator? Some guy on a website? There IS no standard because the definition of "optimum" veers wildly from person to person.
    You're very clearly either missing the other poster's point entirely or willfully misinterpreting it. The point is that there is more to a parse then the damage. It lets you know where other mistakes happened so they can be fixed in future pulls. For example, there is a site that will analyze your parse and tell you if you didn't keep your GCD rolling or if you messed up some combos or whatever. Which should be valuable learning tools. At the same time, if you're in some high stakes raid guild, you could look at the parse and see incoming damage to plan where to use mitigations or heals or whatever is needed for the encounter.

    Acting like parses exist exclusively for the rank number and nothing else is sheer foolishness.
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  5. #325
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolder50 View Post
    You're very clearly either missing the other poster's point entirely or willfully misinterpreting it. The point is that there is more to a parse then the damage. It lets you know where other mistakes happened so they can be fixed in future pulls. For example, there is a site that will analyze your parse and tell you if you didn't keep your GCD rolling or if you messed up some combos or whatever. Which should be valuable learning tools. At the same time, if you're in some high stakes raid guild, you could look at the parse and see incoming damage to plan where to use mitigations or heals or whatever is needed for the encounter.

    Acting like parses exist exclusively for the rank number and nothing else is sheer foolishness.
    I have no idea why they read what I wrote and immediatly jumped to the conclusion that I kick and insult people who miss mitigations or something. I'm not even advocating for an official implementation of damage meters, I just intended to dispell many misconceptions about parsing that people might have.
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  6. #326
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kazhar View Post
    I have no idea why they read what I wrote and immediatly jumped to the conclusion that I kick and insult people who miss mitigations or something. I'm not even advocating for an official implementation of damage meters, I just intended to dispell many misconceptions about parsing that people might have.
    Right, like I don't personally care either way if they're added, but the rampant emotional arguing while ignoring logic and using anecdotal evidence as irrefutable proof throughout this thread is just ridiculous.
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  7. #327
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    Denial, says the forum poster who has absolutely no experience in high-end content in this game but still refuse to read from people who do.
    Been gaming for decades, did all up to and incl Mythic back in WOW ( 8 years ), have loads of experience. So, wrong. Healer, tank, dps..did it all. Been there, done that, not doing it anymore.

    As noted: doesnt matter what proof i can show to prove my side, you wont read it or acknowledge it or accuse me of making it up.

    So why bother?
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  8. #328
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    Quote Originally Posted by VelKallor View Post
    One day come to my server, come find me, and Ill tell you some war stories, along with some graphic recountings of some of the borderline foaming at the mouth berserk raging I have seen over the years.. but I misdoubt you ever will.

    Yes, in a way it is personal.

    When a so called "raid leader" gets so tied up in his number crunching and almost Borg level minmaxing, to the point where they scream in chat they wished your mother had aborted you......you tend to remember little things like that.

    Id call that personal.

    This is in fact one reason I refuse to ever go beyond normal raids etc...I see no reason why I would ever tolerate that kind of conduct...from anyone. Under any circumstances. I am anti parser because I have already seen where that road leads.



    Id love to, but as far as that goes, you and a lot of others will tell me these events never happened and Im making it all up. So, no.

    Ive been called a liar before because some of you refuse to accept facts on the basis it hasnt happened to you, or you never saw it, so it never happened at all. "WOW doesnt have much toxicity due to dps meters" is the usual mantra.

    "Tradittore, Tradutore" the translator is a traitor. Tell them the truth tell them a lie, it doesnt matter , they wont believe you anyway."



    Case in point.

    As far as this forum and many of its members are concerned, denial is definitely not just a river in Egypt.
    Going to your server is a lot of work, but I will make a character on your server to find out what time? I know it is the holidays so does next week work? Fine you are correct, I am guilty of saying I personally find WoW and FFXIV's level of toxicity comparable. By no means does that mean I discount your experiences even if it may come off like that, I have acknowledged that end of the day some people get it worse than others for different reasons. Maybe explaining your personal situation might provide better context. I do get it, though when I started raiding and shifted away from LFR I was told things like I should drink based liquids for how poorly I was playing. It stuck with me but for different reasons, I got upset but the harsh reality was I playing poorly, and took the time to improve. Though, I have seen people in FFXIV tell others to die also. Sure they could have worded in nice but a parse or no parse said person most likely would have been just as harsh. The parse itself did not cause them to rage at me, my action or in this case my inaction caused them to rage. They would have been just as nasty without the meter.

    Point many are trying to make is at that people are what breed such behavior not a tool.
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  9. #329
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    Quote Originally Posted by VelKallor View Post
    Been gaming for decades, did all up to and incl Mythic back in WOW ( 8 years ), have loads of experience. So, wrong. Healer, tank, dps..did it all. Been there, done that, not doing it anymore.

    As noted: doesnt matter what proof i can show to prove my side, you wont read it or acknowledge it or accuse me of making it up.

    So why bother?
    I don't care about your proof, because I couldn't care less about your experience in other games. Nobody does. You showed, repeatedly, that you have absolutely no idea how FFXIV raiding works.
    Not getting why people find it fun is something, but you're not even there. You're only talking about the idea of a game you made up inside your head at people who lived it, experienced it. This is pure insanity to me.
    And at the same time you ask people to know their place, peak irony.
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  10. #330
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    I don't care about your proof, because I couldn't care less about your experience in other games. Nobody does
    Your loss and your failing. Experience remains the same regardless of what game. Its still high end raiding.

    You showed, repeatedly, that you have absolutely no idea how FFXIV raiding works.
    By all means educate me how raiding in FF 14 differs from raiding on other MMO's. It doesnt.

    Not getting why people find it fun is something, but you're not even there. You're only talking about the idea of a game you made up inside your head at people who lived it, experienced it.
    So you are telling me my experiences over that 8 years was all made up? Rightttt....I have said this before, I have seen firsthand where a parser mentality leads in MMO's...and it isnt anywhere good.

    YoshiP and his teams stance on the matter is the correct one.

    And at the same time you ask people to know their place, peak irony.
    I never said that, nor or ever.

    Done here.
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