Why is everyone anxious about a PLD Rework?

[Absurdity]

from what i've heard DSR is the hardest encounter ever even though people are playing "brainded jobs that are impossible to screw up", so...

Ultimate is designed to be difficult even if your job is braindead, that's what the mechanics exist for.
All DSR proves is that they can make mechanics difficult enough to create an engaging encounter even with lackluster job design.

But this is exactly the problem. Sure DSR has hard mechanics, the other ultimates do too, even some savage fights have hard mechanics, but you know what doesn't? The other 95% of the game where the mechanics can't make up for how lacking the actual gameplay is and in which these ultra simplistic jobs just make everything so incredibly boring that you question why you subject yourself to 95% crap for those 5% that are actually good.

The game previously managed to strike a decent balance between the difficulty of just playing your job, or as I'd like to call it how engaging your job could be to play, and the difficulty of an encounter's mechanics. Now everything has to be carried by the mechanics and where those are lacking the entire fight is lacking.

[Nizzi]

from what i've heard DSR is the hardest encounter ever even though people are playing "brainded jobs that are impossible to screw up", so...

I'd like to be able to hop on and play with friends and be engaged when playing my job instead of having to join an Ult static to allot time each week to prog one singular fight for months to get engagement out of my job. There is only 1 current level 90 Ultimate, and with 6.3 there will only be 2 for the entirety of EW. "Play Ultimate" isn't the solution for jobs being boring in 99% of other content

[HyperiusUltima]

I'd like to be able to hop on and play with friends and be engaged when playing my job instead of having to join an Ult static to allot time each week to prog one singular fight for months to get engagement out of my job. There is only 1 current level 90 Ultimate, and with 6.3 there will only be 2 for the entirety of EW. "Play Ultimate" isn't the solution for jobs being boring in 99% of other content

Now where have I heard this before? Oh yeah...HEALERS.

If enough tanks start to complain over 7 years, they'll come running. If too many healers complain, they'll ignore it.

[FireMage]

I'd like to be able to hop on and play with friends and be engaged when playing my job

Then play high end content. This is true for every Job in the game

[Melethron123]

Ultimate is designed to be difficult even if your job is braindead, that's what the mechanics exist for.
All DSR proves is that they can make mechanics difficult enough to create an engaging encounter even with lackluster job design.

But this is exactly the problem. Sure DSR has hard mechanics, the other ultimates do too, even some savage fights have hard mechanics, but you know what doesn't? The other 95% of the game where the mechanics can't make up for how lacking the actual gameplay is and in which these ultra simplistic jobs just make everything so incredibly boring that you question why you subject yourself to 95% crap for those 5% that are actually good.

The game previously managed to strike a decent balance between the difficulty of just playing your job, or as I'd like to call it how engaging your job could be to play, and the difficulty of an encounter's mechanics. Now everything has to be carried by the mechanics and where those are lacking the entire fight is lacking.

would you like to see the rest of the game having more complex mechanics to compensate for simpler job design?

[Kabooa]

would you like to see the rest of the game having more complex mechanics to compensate for simpler job design?

Nah. I'd rather see more interesting job design and you pick the intensity of the content you feel like that day.

It doesn't have to be complicated or complex. Most of the jobs only need maybe one more layer or one additional mechanic and they'd probably be in the sweet spot (For me at least).

[Melethron123]

Nah. I'd rather see more interesting job design and you pick the intensity of the content you feel like that day.

It doesn't have to be complicated or complex. Most of the jobs only need maybe one more layer or one additional mechanic and they'd probably be in the sweet spot (For me at least).

personally i'd rather jobs with varying complexity within each role, and you pick the one you feel like that day

IE: SMN very simple, RDM with middling complexity and BLM for 500iq pro gamers

[Gserpent]

Then play high end content. This is true for every Job in the game

High end content has more engaging mechanics, but it does not change the fact that the jobs are actually boring as fuck to play. As I've said many times, *progging* "high end content" is pretty fun but reclearing it is not.

personally i'd rather jobs with varying complexity within each role, and you pick the one you feel like that day

IE: SMN very simple, RDM with middling complexity and BLM for 500iq pro gamers

The problem with this is that players will still expect SMN to post numbers comparable to BLM, at which point why would you ever play BLM? You're doing more work for the same results.

[fulminating]

I’m waiting for se to specifically not annihilate rework black mage, despite it being necessary for their new paradigm. If it is destroyed, the live letter might be pretty telling though.

[Melethron123]

The problem with this is that players will still expect SMN to post numbers comparable to BLM, at which point why would you ever play BLM? You're doing more work for the same results.

aren't people complaining that they want more complext jobs because they think simple jobs are boring? there's your reason
you play BLM because you think SMN is boring