Please add damage meters, Yoshi P.

[Rithy255]

If you don't clear the DPS check and it's in PF, you pull again. Fail 3 times and something isn't working, you disband and make a new group.
You can't tell the full contribution on damage from meters anyway, the rdps stats are calculated after the fact by fflogs and without those everyone but melee looks like they severely underperform due to their raid buffs not counting.

I can Understand that but at the same time a lot of people take into account that some jobs give out buffs, In general I don't really think using numbers to help learn if you're performing well and comparing to others is a harmful thing.

I think, Understanding on a baseline level in a lets say "new static" group and how each player can improve is Healthy, I'm very strongly against people raging at others for not performing perfectly, but at the same time I'd actually like to help people who seem to be struggling in game and give advice if I could, problem is any form of criticism can be seen as negative. (In general I don't really comment on things like healers constantly healing when they don't need to, or tanks not mitigating, because I don't want it to be took the wrong way).

Eh, I feel like it won't bring "extra toxicity" either way, most people In ff14 know to be careful with what they say (like I've said), It's already against the TOS to be toxic lol most people understand not to, it's why the community is so "nice". But I know we will never get actual meters anyway because the community is so divided on the issue.

[Bobby66]

Meters do not tell the whole story true, but for the most part it does show who has underperformed.

[Rolder50]

If you don't clear the DPS check and it's in PF, you pull again. Fail 3 times and something isn't working, you disband and make a new group.
You can't tell the full contribution on damage from meters anyway, the rdps stats are calculated after the fact by fflogs and without those everyone but melee looks like they severely underperform due to their raid buffs not counting.

Eh, if someone really cares about DPS numbers, they'll be live logging. Meaning the data is available on the website the moment the pull is done.

[Zebraoracle]

This is sure a lot of complaining for something that is obviously never going to happen, and never should happen because it's blatantly obvious this would increase toxicity. Just like it does in every single other game that has them.

It's almost as if this entire thread is a giant waste of time and space.

How would adding meters to the game suddenly change the TOS and make it okay to harass or yell at people? Please explain this logic where suddenly it's okay to harass people when SE is super suspension happy with harassment reports already.

[Ivtrix]

This thread has gone about as could be expected.

[Renalt]

This thread has gone about as could be expected.

Just kick back and enjoy the show like I do.

[LaylaTsarra]

Just kick back and enjoy the show like I do.

Just reruns nothing new here. This show has been going on for years.

[Renalt]

Just reruns nothing new here. This show has been going on for years.

I've only been a part of the forums about 6 months. I'm doing some binge watching.

[Ivtrix]

I've only been a part of the forums about 6 months. I'm doing some binge watching.

It’s always huffy painfully average midcore players that end up being the most toxic. Most players who are actually good (week 1s, Ultimate on content) players are surprisingly chill because they for some reason understand the dynamic much better.

[FireMage]

It’s always huffy painfully average midcore players that end up being the most toxic. Most players who are actually good (week 1s, Ultimate on content) players are surprisingly chill because they for some reason understand the dynamic much better.

Players that high up don't have to usually deal with oxygen thieves