Please add damage meters, Yoshi P.

[VerdeLuck]

What if you didn't beat the enrage? how would you know if you needed to Improve your numbers?
I'm all for not "shaming" people based off dps but their has to be a point where you need to know where some people could improve.

While it's toxic to rage at people who are struggling, It's also toxic to put no effort into doing better and accepting everyone to carry you when you can't meet the checks.

If you don't clear the DPS check and it's in PF, you pull again. Fail 3 times and something isn't working, you disband and make a new group.
You can't tell the full contribution on damage from meters anyway, the rdps stats are calculated after the fact by fflogs and without those everyone but melee looks like they severely underperform due to their raid buffs not counting.

[Rithy255]

If you don't clear the DPS check and it's in PF, you pull again. Fail 3 times and something isn't working, you disband and make a new group.
You can't tell the full contribution on damage from meters anyway, the rdps stats are calculated after the fact by fflogs and without those everyone but melee looks like they severely underperform due to their raid buffs not counting.

I can Understand that but at the same time a lot of people take into account that some jobs give out buffs, In general I don't really think using numbers to help learn if you're performing well and comparing to others is a harmful thing.

I think, Understanding on a baseline level in a lets say "new static" group and how each player can improve is Healthy, I'm very strongly against people raging at others for not performing perfectly, but at the same time I'd actually like to help people who seem to be struggling in game and give advice if I could, problem is any form of criticism can be seen as negative. (In general I don't really comment on things like healers constantly healing when they don't need to, or tanks not mitigating, because I don't want it to be took the wrong way).

Eh, I feel like it won't bring "extra toxicity" either way, most people In ff14 know to be careful with what they say (like I've said), It's already against the TOS to be toxic lol most people understand not to, it's why the community is so "nice". But I know we will never get actual meters anyway because the community is so divided on the issue.

[Rolder50]

If you don't clear the DPS check and it's in PF, you pull again. Fail 3 times and something isn't working, you disband and make a new group.
You can't tell the full contribution on damage from meters anyway, the rdps stats are calculated after the fact by fflogs and without those everyone but melee looks like they severely underperform due to their raid buffs not counting.

Eh, if someone really cares about DPS numbers, they'll be live logging. Meaning the data is available on the website the moment the pull is done.