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    I'll go back to my original state of mind then, forget HNM, FFXIV isn't designed for them. It's built for work = reward, not work = maybe get OP stuff. If I have to choose then I, like most people, think this system is a hell of a lot better than what XI had. Go fondle your epeen elsewhere. Yep, that was overly aggressive and IDC. Here I was hoping you (being the biggest proponent of these coming back in new ways) would welcome work = reward, when it seems you might just be another e-peener.

    If people want to camp HNMs for thrill, cool. If people want to camp HNMs just to think they're better than the other players, then nothx. It should stay out of XIV. That isn't the environment it's built so far. Work = reward in XIV.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peptaru View Post
    I'll go back to my original state of mind then, forget HNM, FFXIV isn't designed for them. It's built for work = reward, not work = maybe get OP stuff. If I have to choose then I, like most people, think this system is a hell of a lot better than what XI had. Go fondle your epeen elsewhere. Yep, that was overly aggressive and IDC. Here I was hoping you (being the biggest proponent of these coming back in new ways) would welcome work = reward, when it seems you might just be another e-peener.

    If people want to camp HNMs for thrill, cool. If people want to camp HNMs just to think they're better than the other players, then nothx. It should stay out of XIV. That isn't the environment it's built so far. Work = reward in XIV.
    XIV wasn't built for anything other than catering to casual playstyle (Guildleves) originally. This environment you speak of already exists in FFXIV and will continue to do so. Do you not see the class/job stacking on raids? While you do make a point that doing anything in MMORPGs these days = get auto rewarded, maybe the first thing they should so is create an environment that does reward work, because as of now you don't really get rewarded or that sense of accomplishment from anything in XIV. You may get a drop from doing Toto-Rak for example, but how often did you get repeats or not the exact item you wanted the first try?

    That's no different than HNM hunting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peptaru View Post

    If people want to camp HNMs for thrill, cool. If people want to camp HNMs just to think they're better than the other players, then nothx. It should stay out of XIV. That isn't the environment it's built so far. Work = reward in XIV.
    Work = Doing 72 runs of Moogle/Ifrit hoping that the drops might magically come to you, instead of someone who doesn't need it?

    Regardless of how much you dislike HNM's, I think it would be foolish to ignore the greater majority of people in this thread that do.

    We are trying to stay on a mature basis, and discuss the topic. Rather than stray into immature statements like "go fondle your epeen" and "might just be another e-peener". Statements like this hurt any credibility you might have had.

    We don't want HNM's for an ego boost. We want them because of the thrill, excitement, and the literally overwhelming sense of accomplishment that comes with them. And yes, it is nice to wear those "elite" items.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePatriarch View Post
    Work = Doing 72 runs of Moogle/Ifrit hoping that the drops might magically come to you, instead of someone who doesn't need it?
    Bah, you beat me to it..

    Yeah, Pep's WHOLE argument on Work = Reward in FFXIV is completly wrong. Not just dungeon runs, but OMG can you say PL.. How about those people who sat around doing nothing but got max 50's in a week or two vs those that leve'd or partied with similar level peeps? What about those who turbo spam (or bot...) crafting vs those who actually used leve's and/or tried for higher exp synths? What about in DH where in order to get the highest "reward", you literrally try to do the least amount of work and skip through it all? What about being able to get insta-ported to anywhere in the world w/o ever having to have traveled anywhere before?.. Yeah.. you may want to rethink that one..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peptaru View Post
    If I have to choose then I, like most people, think this system is a hell of a lot better than what XI had.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePatriarch View Post
    Regardless of how much you dislike HNM's, I think it would be foolish to ignore the greater majority of people in this thread that do.

    I just dont know who to believe anymore...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rydin View Post
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    I just dont know who to believe anymore...
    Take a deep look at Peptaru's posts, read them thoroughly. Here is an example:

    Quote Originally Posted by Peptaru View Post
    I'll go back to my original state of mind then, forget HNM, FFXIV isn't designed for them. It's built for work = reward, not work = maybe get OP stuff. If I have to choose then I, like most people, think this system is a hell of a lot better than what XI had. Go fondle your epeen elsewhere. Yep, that was overly aggressive and IDC. Here I was hoping you (being the biggest proponent of these coming back in new ways) would welcome work = reward, when it seems you might just be another e-peener.

    If people want to camp HNMs for thrill, cool. If people want to camp HNMs just to think they're better than the other players, then nothx. It should stay out of XIV. That isn't the environment it's built so far. Work = reward in XIV.
    Work = Reward? Between PL's and a Instanced Raid system with a loot distribution method that is broke worse than America's Economy, I don't really take his posts seriously. And "This system being better than XI's system", really explains why XI was much, much, much more successful and had a much, much, much larger playerbase.

    Then take a few moments and flip through the pages of this thread and get a feel, firsthand on how many more supporters there are for HNM's, as compared to those against.

    And even still, that is not the point of this thread. I am trying to discuss different methods of how HNM's can be implemented in a manner which appeals to more than just one class of players.

    Not discuss why X idea is better than X idea.
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    Last edited by ThePatriarch; 03-29-2012 at 06:28 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePatriarch View Post
    Take a deep look at Peptaru's posts, read them thoroughly.

    Then take a few moments and flip through the pages of this thread and get a feel, firsthand on how many more supporters there are for HNM's, as compared to those against.

    And even still, that is not the point of this thread. I am trying to discuss different methods of how HNM's can be implemented in a manner which appeals to more than just one class of players.

    Not discuss why X idea is better than X idea.
    Everyone always think their idea is better... and opposing ideas blow cat chunks....
    we are by nature, close minded individuals
    I just want tons and tons of content... and worthwhile rewards for the more difficult content...
    that is all...
    However it's implemented... just give me tons of stuff to do
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rydin View Post
    I just want tons and tons of content... and worthwhile rewards for the more difficult content...
    that is all...
    However it's implemented... just give me tons of stuff to do
    As do we all. I support your post 110% and agree, we need so much more than just HNM's.

    HNM's coming into the game would be just one of many things that alot of us wish this game had.

    Don't take this thread as an end-all-be all of the content that FFXIV can contain. Take it as just a morsel of what is hopefully to come.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePatriarch View Post
    As do we all. I support your post 110% and agree, we need so much more than just HNM's.

    HNM's coming into the game would be just one of many things that alot of us wish this game had.

    Don't take this thread as an end-all-be all of the content that FFXIV can contain. Take it as just a morsel of what is hopefully to come.
    I know.. just saying I support anything that talks about adding new content!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rydin View Post
    I know.. just saying I support anything that talks about adding new content!!
    Touche, good sir. Well, if you think of something you think would be a great addition to the game, make a thread!

    Ideas, and the possibility of their future implementation are only as strong as the creator, and their conviction to see it through
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