New winter glam for mogstation and not xmas event

[DPZ2]

What utterly delusional nonsense.

Pray, be specific about the delusional nonsense in this statement: "The reasoning? Our dear little reindeer came from Ishgard, which has a society that is about as far as one can get from the Sami peoples. Plus, big announcement here, and all, reindeer have been raised domestically for centuries in areas ranging from Scandinavia to China. They still are. It's a sub-Arctic thing, not a northwestern European thing".

Frankly, I don't think you can be specific without making stuff up. Dismissive handwaving appears to be your forte. I understand your using it as a coping mechanism, but still ...

Or, perhaps, you've bought into the Montgomery Ward advertising propaganda from 1939 and believe Blitzen and Rudolph live at the North Pole and work for Santa Claus?

[Carin-Eri]

Nah. I won't "defend" it; I just honestly couldn't care less about it. The cash shop in FFXIV isn't "in your face" in any way, so frankly I don't even realize there's anything I'm "missing out" on. Compare that to another game I'm playing at the moment - Destiny 2 - where every time you log in they display it front-and-center what the "exclusive" items are you can only get by purchasing with extra real-life money.

I honestly do wonder if some of the players who make comments accusing the XIV team of "corporate greed" have played any of the so-called Free to Play games that are out there?

I'll take a subscription and optional cash shop over (speaking from experience) loot/gamble boxes, FOMO overload, and uber-expensive (£300) 'bundles' any day of the week!

[Raoabolic]

I honestly do wonder if some of the players who make comments accusing the XIV team of "corporate greed" have played any of the so-called Free to Play games that are out there?

I'll take a subscription and optional cash shop over (speaking from experience) loot/gamble boxes, FOMO overload, and uber-expensive (£300) 'bundles' any day of the week!

So you would take a game that charges you and then asks for money rather than a game that is free but asks for money? At least the f2p games are honest with their greed and it does make sense (depending on what they are selling) that they have a cash shop. Games that charge a monthly fee and then locks away things behind a paywall is greed. The mulitmillion corporation could stop at the monthly fee and just add some grinding to keep the subs active but SE chose greed over steady profits. Sorry you had to find out this way. :/
(I say this while whales in XIV exist, lmao)

[Deveryn]

So you would take a game that charges you and then asks for money rather than a game that is free but asks for money? At least the f2p games are honest with their greed and it does make sense (depending on what they are selling) that they have a cash shop. Games that charge a monthly fee and then locks away things behind a paywall is greed. The mulitmillion corporation could stop at the monthly fee and just add some grinding to keep the subs active but SE chose greed over steady profits. Sorry you had to find out this way. :/
(I say this while whales in XIV exist, lmao)

F2P locks (faster) progress behind a paywall, where XIV locks aesthetics (the insolence! )
Profiting off whales in games like XIV is smart business. Scamming everyone to progress in F2P is not the better option.

[Raoabolic]

F2P locks (faster) progress behind a paywall, where XIV locks aesthetics (the insolence! )
Profiting off whales in games like XIV is smart business. Scamming everyone to progress in F2P is not the better option.

*looks at the level/story skipping potions in the mogstation*
*locks gameplay systems behind the msq*
You're right, they are smart! Nothing like going after the weak willed~!

[Deveryn]

*looks at the level/story skipping potions in the mogstation*
*locks gameplay systems behind the msq*
You're right, they are smart! Nothing like going after the weak willed~!

It's still not the same thing. You're not paying to win because there's nothing to "win".

[Carin-Eri]

So you would take a game that charges you and then asks for money rather than a game that is free but asks for money? At least the f2p games are honest with their greed and it does make sense (depending on what they are selling) that they have a cash shop. Games that charge a monthly fee and then locks away things behind a paywall is greed. The mulitmillion corporation could stop at the monthly fee and just add some grinding to keep the subs active but SE chose greed over steady profits. Sorry you had to find out this way. :/
(I say this while whales in XIV exist, lmao)

I don't agree that F2P games are honest - the one I played prior to finding FFXIV certainly wasn't, unless you want to argue that Gamble boxes are honest, or that the refusal of the studio who operate the game to divulge the odds of those gamble boxes is honest. I guess they were honest in terms of the ridiculous pricing of their bundles too. And I guess it was honest of them to listen to and cherry-pick feedback from players regarding what was most wanted, even if the few items they produce from that feedback end up either in the gamble boxes or expensive bundles, putting them out of reach to anyone but whales and gambling addicts.

Sorry to say it, as I don't wish to come across as some YoshiP worshipper, but I agree with his mindset on F2P - that said model is an unreliable source of income predicated on devoting a lot of development resources to monthly consumable or cosmetic items in order to maintain profitability, leaving little time for higher quality story and battle content, and a playerbase which changes dramatically in size and revenue from month to month.

Again, having quit a F2P that was completely committed to FOMO-fueled 'events' utilising existing/recycled content, stupidly expensive bundles and loot boxes at the cost of new content (one new 'episode' worth about 40 minutes of play time every five months) I can honestly say that I find FFXIV's business model to be a breath of fresh air and again, the Cash Shop in this game feels as 'optional' as it actually is.

[Nyxs]

Pray, be specific about the delusional nonsense in this statement: "The reasoning? Our dear little reindeer came from Ishgard, which has a society that is about as far as one can get from the Sami peoples. Plus, big announcement here, and all, reindeer have been raised domestically for centuries in areas ranging from Scandinavia to China. They still are. It's a sub-Arctic thing, not a northwestern European thing".

Frankly, I don't think you can be specific without making stuff up. Dismissive handwaving appears to be your forte. I understand your using it as a coping mechanism, but still ...

Or, perhaps, you've bought into the Montgomery Ward advertising propaganda from 1939 and believe Blitzen and Rudolph live at the North Pole and work for Santa Claus?

The location of reindeer ingame and the people the outfit comes from doesnt make it any less winter. Because they very much are regardless of what they threw in for an event story. I looked up picture of Sami people which had them with reindeer. So are you trying to say they dont have them? Because unless these are all photoshopped then I do believe you are wrong. But keep arguing I guess as its more than obvious this was intentional.

So my feedback is: in the future It would be better to not give a holiday event item (mount,furniture) then make us pay for a outfit that has the same theme as it instead of just giving both to us. We understand you need to make money but this has upset the players. We want you guys to be considerate and not just think of how to bank on people wanting a outfit that suits the current holiday for $20.

[LianaThorne]

F2P locks (faster) progress behind a paywall, where XIV locks aesthetics (the insolence! )
Profiting off whales in games like XIV is smart business. Scamming everyone to progress in F2P is not the better option.

Not to mention some entirely gatekeep progression (as in, good luck making any actual progress period, not just slower) unless you shell out your credit card. Speaking more in the mobile side of things here (Diablo Immortal comes to mind and the Game of Thrones war strategy game) but if it makes money I wouldn't be shocked if others start adopting it into their games. I'd rather pay a sub and have the cash shop be exclusive to cosmetics than go free to play any day.

[Payadopa]

I dunno why people are surprised. That's what happens when you shill against your own interest as a consumer. It'll only get worse from here since there are enough not smart people out there with too much disposable income that poison the well for everyone else.