Playing an expansion as current content has been a lacklustre MMO experience

[Raven2014]

Why you keep saying the grass is greener things, Did I compare it to other MMO in my last post? don't think so. Also you still dodged my question.

If you're not comparing FF14 to another MMO ... then what is the basic of your complain? That if it's not my way then it's the highway?

I'm still patiently waiting for someone to cite me an MMO that has more content or with content that last longer than FF14.

If anything, the roulette system is one of the very few among MMO that manage to keep a good chunk of its content relevant. Most other MMO unless you roll an alt, you probably wouldn't see the lvling content ever again in your entire life.

[Atelier-Bagur]

If you're not comparing FF14 to another MMO ... then what is the basic of your complain? That if it's not my way then it's the highway?

I'm still patiently waiting for someone to cite me an MMO that has more content or with content that last longer than FF14.

If anything, the roulette system is one of the very few among MMO that manage to keep a good chunk of its content relevant. Most other MMO unless you roll an alt, you probably wouldn't see the lvling content ever again in your entire life.

I neglected to bring up roulettes but compared to other MMOs having very minimal roulette content for doing old content, FFXIV has it beat. I sometimes spend a day just not caring and doing roulettes on a character and calling it a day when I feel like it.

Now I wish they added a Rival Wings and CC roulette but maybe some day

[Raven2014]

I neglected to bring up roulettes but compared to other MMOs having very minimal roulette content for doing old content, FFXIV has it beat. I sometimes spend a day just not caring and doing roulettes on a character and calling it a day when I feel like it.

In a way I think FF14 fell victim to its own accommodation

- Fate: granted it's not very popular any more. But that's because the game now has so many alternative way to level up. Fate train was popular back in 2.0 and 3.0. That was my primary mean to get my first 2 char to lvl50 on multiple class. And while I can some selective fond memories of those day, overall I don't miss the day I have to travel up and down of Aleport, Coasta de Sol, or Cerebrum factory zone going from Fate to Fate for hours.

- Tome cap: is there any other games that let you cap the most current token for the highest ilvl gears without having to even do max level content at all? And do that in 1 day even. 2 Hunt trains, one front line, one set of tribal daily and you're done for the week. In most other games you would have at least doing something equivalent of Expert Roullete for a few days. I mean, you can do it here, but that's a choice.

What people view as longevity or obsolete content in FF14 is simply a problem the game offer a lot of options. And when that happens, you can't avoid the issue with different type of content will cannibalize one others to certain degree. If I choose to do my stuff in the open world, you have one less person queue for dungeon and roulette. If I decide to do my thing in instance, you have one less person to group up with in the open world. And FF14 just happens to have a lot of options.

For old timers like me, that's great, and I think it explains why people like me stay around for a long time. FF14 does not force a set routine on me, what I decide to do each days totally depend on my mood:

- I can just pop in PvPs if I'm in the mood of murdering fellow players.
- I can pop a couple roullete if I just don't have a lot of time to play that day.
- I can join a hunt train if I feel extra lazy.


Either way, be it for EXP or for tome/matateria ...etc... they all viable. What other perceive as "longevity" or "activity" in other MMO is because they have a far limited set of option. So you'll have the majority players being funnel into a few path, so of course those paths will appear to be more active comparing to each of the options in FF14.


Also, many of state of FF14 is the direct result of what the community want.

Remember 2.0 and 3.0 relic Fate train? I don't think I've ran into anyone who liked them. The whole reason we got Eureka in 4.0 because the outcry we want relic to be original contents, stop forcing us to do old content crap for it. Also when they tried to force people to run the old Alliance Raid to unlock the 5.0 relics, it wasn't very well received. The choice poison was between old Fate and old Dungeon, I pick the former because, again ... **** Ivalice.

So it's a balancing act, just simply attach a "reward" behind a content people hate to do ain't gonna guarantee a positive outcome.

[Magikazam]

If you're not comparing FF14 to another MMO ... then what is the basic of your complain? That if it's not my way then it's the highway?

I'm still patiently waiting for someone to cite me an MMO that has more content or with content that last longer than FF14.

If anything, the roulette system is one of the very few among MMO that manage to keep a good chunk of its content relevant. Most other MMO unless you roll an alt, you probably wouldn't see the lvling content ever again in your entire life.

Nah, My point is that Atelier-Bagur just avoid my questions and just put words in my mouth so it fit his narrative, then he go one and say ''Okay there's blue mage content'' While I just asked why is there a lack of midcore content.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Nah, My point is that Atelier-Bagur just avoid my questions and just put words in my mouth so it fit his narrative, then he go one and say ''Okay there's blue mage content'' While I just asked why is there a lack of midcore content.

How am I dodging your questions? I keep giving you answers yet you keep ignoring them. Everything Ive said was to answer what you were ultimately arguing about the supposed "dead content" you see. PoTD and Eureka isnt midcore content. Its content that takes up a little bit more of your time and effort, just like with everything in this game. What Im debating is that no matter what this game (or any MMO really) gives out, none of it is going to be good enough to last forever because people such as yourself is going to rush it and we'll be having this conversation again and again. Its very tiring. What you're debating isnt "where's the midcore content" its "where's the endless retention content".

[Magikazam]

How am I dodging your questions? I keep giving you answers yet you keep ignoring them. Everything Ive said was to answer what you were ultimately arguing about the supposed "dead content" you see. PoTD and Eureka isnt midcore content. Its content that takes up a little bit more of your time and effort, just like with everything in this game. What Im debating is that no matter what this game (or any MMO really) gives out, none of it is going to be good enough to last forever because people such as yourself is going to rush it and we'll be having this conversation again and again. Its very tiring. What you're debating isnt "where's the midcore content" its "where's the endless retention content".

I consider it dodging when I ask why there no midcore of lots of repetable content and your anwser is ''It a you issues'' or ''Grass just look greener on the otherside'' Raven gave a good explaination with content self canibalising itself. You just dodge my point by assuming things about me, hell here you are stating I rush content now.

[Atelier-Bagur]

I consider it dodging when I ask why there no midcore of lots of repetable content and your anwser is ''It a you issues'' or ''Grass just look greener on the otherside'' Raven gave a good explaination with content self canibalising itself. You just dodge my point by assuming things about me, hell here you are stating I rush content now.

Because what you call midcore isnt midcore at all. If we're talking about midcore as in difficulty are the current EX trials.

[Magikazam]

Because what you call midcore isnt midcore at all. If we're talking about midcore as in difficulty are the current EX trials.

yea and how many we get of those per Xpac? 3 or 4? and that on top of ARR and HW ones being way more casual than midcore if anything, Thordan probably the sole exception out of those.

Low number aside, It only cover trials... Where midcore dungeon? Where Midcore quests? Why not some midcore FATE while we're at it? I would consider solo-Deep dungeon and Eureka/Boznia midcore, but their difficulty is more class dependant than anything else

[Zebraoracle]

yea and how many we get of those per Xpac? 3 or 4? and that on top of ARR and HW ones being way more casual than midcore if anything, Thordan probably the sole exception out of those.

Low number aside, It only cover trials... Where midcore dungeon? Where Midcore quests? Why not some midcore FATE while we're at it? I would consider solo-Deep dungeon and Eureka/Boznia midcore, but their difficulty is more class dependant than anything else

Uhh... ARR and HW extremes are more casual? Are we playing the same game? There was a time when Titan Ex was a wall for a lot of people lol. Only reason they seem "casual" is because of gear scaling.

Also we get like seven or so extremes an expac. Earlier on I was kind of agreeing with some of your points (kind of...) but as time went on you've become a bit unhinged... now you just seem like you don't know what you're talking about.

[Jojoya]

yea and how many we get of those per Xpac? 3 or 4? and that on top of ARR and HW ones being way more casual than midcore if anything, Thordan probably the sole exception out of those.

Low number aside, It only cover trials... Where midcore dungeon? Where Midcore quests? Why not some midcore FATE while we're at it? I would consider solo-Deep dungeon and Eureka/Boznia midcore, but their difficulty is more class dependant than anything else

You need to do a better job of defining what you expect when you say "midcore" content.

Correct, the game lacks midcore dungeons or even high end dungeons other than Criterion. I think the hard mode dungeons from ARR and HW might have originally been intended to develop into midcore content but SE ended up deviating from that plan. Why? Only SE knows.

Midcore quests? What would those even be? Give an example. Quests are generally for world building and lore expansion. The dumbest thing a game developer could do is block a casual player out of that type of content.

Midcore FATEs? Let me introduce to you Chi, Daivadipa, Formidable, Archaeotania, etc. Easy enough to zerg when 100 players show up during peak hours. An entirely different ballgame during off peak and only 12 players show up. It can be done if you start earlier in the timer but you need everyone to be on the ball and not constantly dying to mechanics (which I hope is the type of difficulty level you're expecting from midcore).

Any group content tackled solo is going to end up job dependent to some degree so it sounds like you're trying to make up excuses to be dismissive instead of credit it as being midcore at the player's discretion.

As much as you say you're not trying to compare to other MMOs, you're going to need to do that to show how the problem is specific to this game as opposed to being shared within the genre. What are other MMOs doing better for midcore players than FFXIV is? Mythic+ in Wow is an obvious example but what are others?