Playing an expansion as current content has been a lacklustre MMO experience

[Raven2014]

Why you keep saying the grass is greener things, Did I compare it to other MMO in my last post? don't think so. Also you still dodged my question.

If you're not comparing FF14 to another MMO ... then what is the basic of your complain? That if it's not my way then it's the highway?

I'm still patiently waiting for someone to cite me an MMO that has more content or with content that last longer than FF14.

If anything, the roulette system is one of the very few among MMO that manage to keep a good chunk of its content relevant. Most other MMO unless you roll an alt, you probably wouldn't see the lvling content ever again in your entire life.

[Atelier-Bagur]

If you're not comparing FF14 to another MMO ... then what is the basic of your complain? That if it's not my way then it's the highway?

I'm still patiently waiting for someone to cite me an MMO that has more content or with content that last longer than FF14.

If anything, the roulette system is one of the very few among MMO that manage to keep a good chunk of its content relevant. Most other MMO unless you roll an alt, you probably wouldn't see the lvling content ever again in your entire life.

I neglected to bring up roulettes but compared to other MMOs having very minimal roulette content for doing old content, FFXIV has it beat. I sometimes spend a day just not caring and doing roulettes on a character and calling it a day when I feel like it.

Now I wish they added a Rival Wings and CC roulette but maybe some day

[Raven2014]

I neglected to bring up roulettes but compared to other MMOs having very minimal roulette content for doing old content, FFXIV has it beat. I sometimes spend a day just not caring and doing roulettes on a character and calling it a day when I feel like it.

In a way I think FF14 fell victim to its own accommodation

- Fate: granted it's not very popular any more. But that's because the game now has so many alternative way to level up. Fate train was popular back in 2.0 and 3.0. That was my primary mean to get my first 2 char to lvl50 on multiple class. And while I can some selective fond memories of those day, overall I don't miss the day I have to travel up and down of Aleport, Coasta de Sol, or Cerebrum factory zone going from Fate to Fate for hours.

- Tome cap: is there any other games that let you cap the most current token for the highest ilvl gears without having to even do max level content at all? And do that in 1 day even. 2 Hunt trains, one front line, one set of tribal daily and you're done for the week. In most other games you would have at least doing something equivalent of Expert Roullete for a few days. I mean, you can do it here, but that's a choice.

What people view as longevity or obsolete content in FF14 is simply a problem the game offer a lot of options. And when that happens, you can't avoid the issue with different type of content will cannibalize one others to certain degree. If I choose to do my stuff in the open world, you have one less person queue for dungeon and roulette. If I decide to do my thing in instance, you have one less person to group up with in the open world. And FF14 just happens to have a lot of options.

For old timers like me, that's great, and I think it explains why people like me stay around for a long time. FF14 does not force a set routine on me, what I decide to do each days totally depend on my mood:

- I can just pop in PvPs if I'm in the mood of murdering fellow players.
- I can pop a couple roullete if I just don't have a lot of time to play that day.
- I can join a hunt train if I feel extra lazy.


Either way, be it for EXP or for tome/matateria ...etc... they all viable. What other perceive as "longevity" or "activity" in other MMO is because they have a far limited set of option. So you'll have the majority players being funnel into a few path, so of course those paths will appear to be more active comparing to each of the options in FF14.


Also, many of state of FF14 is the direct result of what the community want.

Remember 2.0 and 3.0 relic Fate train? I don't think I've ran into anyone who liked them. The whole reason we got Eureka in 4.0 because the outcry we want relic to be original contents, stop forcing us to do old content crap for it. Also when they tried to force people to run the old Alliance Raid to unlock the 5.0 relics, it wasn't very well received. The choice poison was between old Fate and old Dungeon, I pick the former because, again ... **** Ivalice.

So it's a balancing act, just simply attach a "reward" behind a content people hate to do ain't gonna guarantee a positive outcome.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Remember 2.0 and 3.0 relic Fate train? I don't think I've ran into anyone who liked them. The whole reason we got Eureka in 4.0 because the outcry we want relic to be original contents, stop forcing us to do old content crap for it. Also when they tried to force people to run the old Alliance Raid to unlock the 5.0 relics, it wasn't very well received. The choice poison was between old Fate and old Dungeon, I pick the former because, again ... **** Ivalice.

So it's a balancing act, just simply attach a "reward" behind a content people hate to do ain't gonna guarantee a positive outcome.

So basically what this all amounts to is a good ol' fashion of "you think you do, but you dont". From my experience when I did the ShB relics and Bozja when they were still current content, me and a number group of people kinda grew sick of the content design and wished for something more simpler. While Shb relic grinds werent that bad, I can remember saying that I wished for the next expansion relic chain to be a bit more like the HW chain and lo and behold looks like I wasnt the only one the devs listened when they announced EW relic chain being more quest relative.

[Raven2014]

So basically what this all amounts to is a good ol' fashion of "you think you do, but you dont". From my experience when I did the ShB relics and Bozja when they were still current content, me and a number group of people kinda grew sick of the content design and wished for something more simpler. While Shb relic grinds werent that bad, I can remember saying that I wished for the next expansion relic chain to be a bit more like the HW chain and lo and behold looks like I wasnt the only one the devs listened when they announced EW relic chain being more quest relative.

You're damn if you do, damn if you don't. In a weekend only class, students wish it's more paced out so they don't have to sit through a 6 hours class. When the same class is spread out 3 days a week, students antagonize the fact they have to come to class for 3 days a week, and would prefer it can be done in just one.

You make it entirely about old content, people hate it.
You make it original unique content, you face the risk of it becomes obsolete in the future.

That's why some are speculating that EW's relic will be chain into the criterion dungeon.

- Original content: check.
- Challenge in group (if you want): check.
- Solo-able for future obsoleted proof: check.

The jury gonna still be out there depend on how it pan out. But this is also why I feel the people -especially new players- who just coming to the game and throwing accusations such as "they don't listen, this game never change its formula", severely lack context. There isn't many other MMO (or is there even one) that willing to listen, adjust, and experiment like FF14 does. I won't say they always hit the mark, but at least they try.

[Magikazam]

No one gets CT 99% of the time, but there are people who are absolute babies about it 100% of the time. There are other roulettes available to achieve your goals. The same goes with raid roulette. It's true that it's generally alex or the latest tier, but that's only because it's purely optional content. They've caught onto this with dungeons. Since the tail end of ShB, all the cap dungeons have been linked to MSQ.

I'm mostly ignoring the rest because that's all a you problem. Thank you for answering the question of whether or not you could provide constructive feedback.

We really gonna act like CT ain't the thing you alway get in roulette now? we're that far into defending the game? It a well know fact people cheese Ilvl cause, like I said, they just run the roulette for XP, so rather than risking to land on some hard raid that gonna take like 40 ish minute cause people will wipe, they prefer going in CT and brainlessly stomp the thing in like 20 min for their xp reward. Not that im complaining about it, In fact I prefer the free fast xp. But it still an issues since roulette first goal is to make it so people new to a content, get to run it whitout waiting hours in Q.

Fun fact, this year I've been suscribed for 5 months now (Not counting this one) and doing all my roulette each day, I've only seen 2 times where it didn't land on CT. My friend have similar numbers, people in the NN got similar numbers when asked. People complain about it on the forum. It clear the Alliance raid roulette don't work like it supossed to.

[Atelier-Bagur]

We really gonna act like CT ain't the thing you alway get in roulette now? we're that far into defending the game? It a well know fact people cheese Ilvl cause, like I said, they just run the roulette for XP, so rather than risking to land on some hard raid that gonna take like 40 ish minute cause people will wipe, they prefer going in CT and brainlessly stomp the thing in like 20 min for their xp reward. Not that im complaining about it, In fact I prefer the free fast xp. But it still an issues since roulette first goal is to make it so people new to a content, get to run it whitout waiting hours in Q.

Fun fact, this year I've been suscribed for 5 months now (Not counting this one) and doing all my roulette each day, I've only seen 2 times where it didn't land on CT. My friend have similar numbers, people in the NN got similar numbers when asked. People complain about it on the forum. It clear the Alliance raid roulette don't work like it supossed to.

I seriously dont believe those numbers. Only 2 non-CT raids when you're doing alliance roulette every day for 5 months? BS on that, Ive done the same thing you have and I can tell you I get more than just the supposed measly 2 non-CT raids on my daily roulettes.

[Magikazam]

If you're not comparing FF14 to another MMO ... then what is the basic of your complain? That if it's not my way then it's the highway?

I'm still patiently waiting for someone to cite me an MMO that has more content or with content that last longer than FF14.

If anything, the roulette system is one of the very few among MMO that manage to keep a good chunk of its content relevant. Most other MMO unless you roll an alt, you probably wouldn't see the lvling content ever again in your entire life.

Nah, My point is that Atelier-Bagur just avoid my questions and just put words in my mouth so it fit his narrative, then he go one and say ''Okay there's blue mage content'' While I just asked why is there a lack of midcore content.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Nah, My point is that Atelier-Bagur just avoid my questions and just put words in my mouth so it fit his narrative, then he go one and say ''Okay there's blue mage content'' While I just asked why is there a lack of midcore content.

How am I dodging your questions? I keep giving you answers yet you keep ignoring them. Everything Ive said was to answer what you were ultimately arguing about the supposed "dead content" you see. PoTD and Eureka isnt midcore content. Its content that takes up a little bit more of your time and effort, just like with everything in this game. What Im debating is that no matter what this game (or any MMO really) gives out, none of it is going to be good enough to last forever because people such as yourself is going to rush it and we'll be having this conversation again and again. Its very tiring. What you're debating isnt "where's the midcore content" its "where's the endless retention content".

[Magikazam]

How am I dodging your questions? I keep giving you answers yet you keep ignoring them. Everything Ive said was to answer what you were ultimately arguing about the supposed "dead content" you see. PoTD and Eureka isnt midcore content. Its content that takes up a little bit more of your time and effort, just like with everything in this game. What Im debating is that no matter what this game (or any MMO really) gives out, none of it is going to be good enough to last forever because people such as yourself is going to rush it and we'll be having this conversation again and again. Its very tiring. What you're debating isnt "where's the midcore content" its "where's the endless retention content".

I consider it dodging when I ask why there no midcore of lots of repetable content and your anwser is ''It a you issues'' or ''Grass just look greener on the otherside'' Raven gave a good explaination with content self canibalising itself. You just dodge my point by assuming things about me, hell here you are stating I rush content now.