Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent. 2.0

[PirateRyanG]

Level 80 gear. Not end game, but not new.

I don't think it's a mistake considering they were comfortable letting the other tank have aggro up until that moment. There wasn't any mechanics that forced them to spin the boss either.

Not surprised to see someone defending this behavior though...

I am defending it because you are saying that there is no other explanation than griefing, when there are plenty of other explanations.

Mistakes can easily happen, even if there is no reason to make the mistake. I make stupid mistakes too. It happens. Casting the wrong spell. Moving in the wrong way, entering a dungeon with the wrong gear on (although thankfully just once). It sucks if it impacts your play, but it happens.

Most people aren't looking to ruin your day

[Fayt1203]

I am defending it because you are saying that there is no other explanation than griefing, when there are plenty of other explanations.

Mistakes can easily happen, even if there is no reason to make the mistake. I make stupid mistakes too. It happens. Casting the wrong spell. Moving in the wrong way, entering a dungeon with the wrong gear on (although thankfully just once). It sucks if it impacts your play, but it happens.

Most people aren't looking to ruin your day

while it's true that most people aren't looking to ruining the day there are people in the game that does exactly that. I don't even need to think that far back in my experience.

Few months ago was in alliance run Orbonne Monastery, and in the Agrias fight a tank from another group either knew fight inside out or had a addon, because he knew just when to provoke to get the Thunder Slash and face it to the group wiping it.

okey maybe he was new but he did it again second time but later on so he could let us think it was was safe and again wipe, the third time he did not wipe the whole group but many enough so we wiped at the the adds phase, then the 4 time he aggro all the adds together so we we ofc wiped again.

we had asked the group to vote kick him many time after the second wipe but got no response, but soon after the the forth wipe he left or something and 4 others in same group left at the same time. could meant nothing but it also could meant that others in the group was taking part with the tank.

[Merrigan]

They probably thought it was going to be a tank ego trip, judging by the first paragraph.



There's nothing really wrong with this bit. Rogue/Ninja and Monk are probably the best classes for running ahead and pulling extra to the tank. They have one "mitigation" tool if you'll call it in addition to their arm's length. There's nothing super wrong with a dps pulling extra for the tank unless they go and get themselves killed or unless it's a tank in a dungeon under level 50 that's asked them not to pull big.

Oh. Yeah, right. Honestly, I'm not a fan of dps pulling before me, except in special cases: again, I move fast in general, and if I don't it's for a reason. That said, I don't let people die or kick them for that reason.

Anyway, it was indeed a bit different here.

[Avatre]

we had asked the group to vote kick him many time after the second wipe but got no response, but soon after the the forth wipe he left or something and 4 others in same group left at the same time. could meant nothing but it also could meant that others in the group was taking part with the tank.

The fact he did that 4 times indicates he either was hoping to get CT raids, and decided to throw a tantrum because he didn't get what he wanted rather than leaving and taking a penalty right away, or he was looking for people to help him take a vacation

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

I was debating if I wanted to write this peculiar story I experienced a couple of days ago, but after speaking to my friend about it I decided to just go for it cause why not: LotA via Alliance Roulette, as a WHM on alt character.

This was a queue outside server's peak hour, but I would never guessed to wait for 22m before it finally pops only to threw me into one of the CT raids. Henceforth once I zoned in I wrote in party chat: "Lol 22m queue on roulette just for a LotA."

Person A:"What's so funny about it?"
Me:"Well why not? :thonk:"
Person B:"Not a clue."

The exchanges sort of left me with odd feeling, but for the moment I decided to ignore it.

Fast forward to after Thanatos, person A said "pls roll". This is when I started to notice the first red flag. I tested the water by rolling first two item that dropped from Zombie Dragon... instantly given out. Okay yeah, I decided to -not- roll the loots from Thanatos just yet, then paid a closer attention to this person A. The 2nd red flag almost immediately became apparent: they were quite possibly not fully present or semi afk, and deliberately eating red carpets when they weren't like this at any capacity prior to this.

The worst of all was when we reached Behemoth, they died once at where people spawn when they accept teleport prompt. I raised them to behind a comet to anticipate the upcoming Meteor cast, which they immediately squandered by wandering away from the comet then just stood out there---nope, not even auto attacking---until they die to the impact and still wrote in party:"What did I do wrong" (Great question, I probably wanted to ask the same myself!). Person B was so quick to respond to this obvious question that it makes me suspect these two are queueing together...or quite possibly double boxing(?).

Were they new to this? Apparently no. When I examined person A, they do have couple of lv90s and was using some "Erudite <X>"-title. Ain't no way that person's new.

I really hope I was just reading too much into them, but I couldn't help but thought ill of their intention behind the behavior(s). The deliberate 'standing in bad', being semi afk, and asking the obvious felt like they were trying to purposely elicit unsavory responses.

[Asako]

Meanwhile, me to my friends:

"If you use Clemency I swear to God I will destroy you."

The GCD you waste on it, the MP you spend on it, even the Requiescat window you use to buff it, none of them are worth half a dime.
All you do with it is something a healer's already doing. "Oh but it helps", no it doesn't, you're better off killing the stuff lowering your HP faster. All the heals you need are things I can provide. As OGCDs, no cost, and far more effective. Use defensive cooldowns, use regens if you can, those are fine. Clemency is not worth it. And if I catch you using it, I swear to you I'll play the world's cruellest "How low can you go" game you've ever laid eyes on.

...to friends, of course

Randoms and Sprouts don't need me giving them heart attacks. If they want to Clemency, they can Clemency, it's their crappy playstyle, and if I say something I'm breaking ToS.

You see people like you. You are my kind of people. It absolutely annoys me to no end when I see tanks using this to heal themselves because they think they are in danger. If the fight is going wrong and you see your healers struggling then work away, but watching these candy men pop it randomly for no reason drives me up the walls.

Personally I would like to see Clemency, Cover, Sheild Bash and Divine Veil get removed with this rework. They are shocking. Veil whilst useful just needs to be like the rest where you pop it when you want it. They thought they were nice by letting you proc it with your own healing spells, but if I'm not in that phase of my rotation then I'm at a healers mercy waiting for it. Every other tanks works the way it should but for some reason PLD's one is just absolute biscuits in comparison. Thank goodness for big wings.

[Lunaxia]

Is it me, or does anyone else find it really adorable when you get a group of sprouts new to the duty who don't know what to do but realise you do, so they wind up clinging to you and following you around during the entire boss fight like a lost puppy? I was in SMA HM the other day, and had a DRG that was practically standing on top of me wherever I went to make sure they were following the mechanics correctly, it was so cute.

Though slightly less cute is when I was trying to fit in a 50/60 roulette 30 mins before reset, and I wound up with a sprout tank in WP. HM. Pulling one mob at a time. With a sprout BLM trying to kill the sacred standards.

The game does it on purpose sometimes, I swear.

[NanaWiloh]

Level 80 gear. Not end game, but not new.

I don't think it's a mistake considering they were comfortable letting the other tank have aggro up until that moment. There wasn't any mechanics that forced them to spin the boss either.

Not surprised to see someone defending this behavior though...

Being cerberus not surprised never fails that at least one tank wants to play ping pong with the boss.

[NanaWiloh]

I am defending it because you are saying that there is no other explanation than griefing, when there are plenty of other explanations.

Mistakes can easily happen, even if there is no reason to make the mistake. I make stupid mistakes too. It happens. Casting the wrong spell. Moving in the wrong way, entering a dungeon with the wrong gear on (although thankfully just once). It sucks if it impacts your play, but it happens.

Most people aren't looking to ruin your day

Aiming Cerberus at the raid is not a mistake. Said player is either a troll or Just does not flat out give a damn about their fellow players. Its MMO 101 Do not aim the raid boss at the raid unless there is mechanic that requires it, this is especially true with a raid boss with a cleave. There is No excuse for a vet player making such a balant and idiotic move..

[Renalt]

You see people like you. You are my kind of people. It absolutely annoys me to no end when I see tanks using this to heal themselves because they think they are in danger. If the fight is going wrong and you see your healers struggling then work away, but watching these candy men pop it randomly for no reason drives me up the walls.

Personally I would like to see Clemency, Cover, Sheild Bash and Divine Veil get removed with this rework. They are shocking. Veil whilst useful just needs to be like the rest where you pop it when you want it. They thought they were nice by letting you proc it with your own healing spells, but if I'm not in that phase of my rotation then I'm at a healers mercy waiting for it. Every other tanks works the way it should but for some reason PLD's one is just absolute biscuits in comparison. Thank goodness for big wings.

I wouldn't say get rid of clemency. It has its uses but I will admit a lot of PLDs do abuse it. Killing the enemy is the best healing/mitigation one can do so yes it makes sense to save your MP for magic burst window...even more so when it heals you. At 90...Clemency should never even be on your mind because your mitigation and burst magic window not only heals you and does damage but will also give MP back. Between that and all your mitigations...I don't even think you need a healer.

However I've had moments when the healer drops and the boss is like 30%. Now I have a choice...and my choice is usually just finish the fight without the healer. Yes Clemency lowers MY DPS but dead DPS lowers group DPS as a whole more. Intervention helps with mitigation/healing for my allies but it's usually not enough to keep them alive if they goof a mechanic or raidwides happen often but Clemency heals not only the DPS but myself as well since I get a portion of what they healed for. If it crits...it's practically a Benediction for the DPS. I'll take away a single GCD for damage away from myself to keep my DPS up and going.

Clemency is situational...but the situation I've laid out has happened to me more than once so personally I'd like to keep it. I just wish other PLDS didn't use it like a crutch.